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Must be something in the water in Australia and New Zealand that made them turn into authoritarian ****holes overnight.
I never knew how authoritarian those governments could become and I am surprised the people of Australia especially have tolerated it.
In the US we have had a lot of defiance and pushback against the rona rules. The reason we can go to a restaurant or choose to not wear masks is because our state and federal governments know that the people here will not tolerate those kinds of rules. Our nation values freedom over safety, we would rather face the risk then surrender our rights.
Then you've just undermined your own argument - few people here think the lockdown defies logic. They might be unhappy, but logic has always been at the fore of it ... the logic that short term pain means longterm gain and less death and strain on the health system. If you can somehow connect that to Nazism, I think you have a bright future ahead of you.
There is no logic to a 'lockdown.' There is no clear data about mass lockdowns since they are a new invention in human history. The term comes from prison riots. 18 months in, we can actually look at the outcomes for states in the US and countries that 'locked down' and who stayed open. The data is inconsistent. Sometimes places that locked down had terrible outcomes. Some places that stayed open did just fine. I live in New York where people were getting sick in spite of mostly staying home and wearing masks. Our governor was surprised at this. We still have the most deaths, and had a strict lockdown. To impose a lockdown now, without clear data about the overall risk/benefit (not just about Covid), is absurd and a gross human rights violation.
The people running New Zealand and Australia seem to have a Zero Covid obsession. You guys are in for a long and miserable ride. Covid is in the air, wastewater, and many animal reservoirs. You can vaccinate everyone, and you will still have Covid. People will eventually die from things associated with being locked up and deprived of human contact. Society can only handle so much disruption before it unravels.
Even if the old? I think taking broad precautions for 70+ was right.
Targeted and limited in nature, and only to the minimum extent necessary. There was no longer any reason for any kind of lockdown for as long as treatments and vaccines are available.
There was no limiting principle in Australia's response. Placing an entire nation under house arrest and deploying the military to enforce it is an irrational overreach by any definition of that word.
Besides, doesn't Australia's military have a nation to defend?
There is no logic to a 'lockdown.' There is no clear data about mass lockdowns since they are a new invention in human history. The term comes from prison riots. 18 months in, we can actually look at the outcomes for states in the US and countries that 'locked down' and who stayed open. The data is inconsistent. Sometimes places that locked down had terrible outcomes. Some places that stayed open did just fine. To impose a lockdown now, without clear data about the overall risk/benefit (not just about Covid), is absurd and a gross human rights violation.
The people running New Zealand and Australia seem to have a Zero Covid obsession. You guys are in for a long and miserable ride. Covid is in the air, wastewater, and many animal reservoirs. You can vaccinate everyone, and you will still have Covid. People will eventually die from things associated with being locked up and deprived of human contact. Society can only handle so much disruption before it unravels.
Yep, there is logic - the last last national lockdown here enabled me to lead a pretty normal life - no masks, no restrictions, don't know anyone who has had covid etc.
People here generally see it as a calculated risk - short term pain for longer term gain, with no guarantees that it will work, but so far with a track record that it does work.
NZ is lucky - we can watch people dying in other countries, shut the borders, and plan a strategy based on the successes and failures of other countries.
I never knew how authoritarian those governments could become and I am surprised the people of Australia especially have tolerated it.
In the US we have had a lot of defiance and pushback against the rona rules. The reason we can go to a restaurant or choose to not wear masks is because our state and federal governments know that the people here will not tolerate those kinds of rules. Our nation values freedom over safety, we would rather face the risk then surrender our rights.
You are deluding yourself - if this virus was actually a serious one, with much higher mortality rates, the national guard would be shooting transgressors down in the streets.
You are deluding yourself - if this virus was actually a serious one, with much higher mortality rates, the national guard would be shooting transgressors down in the streets.
A virus with much higher mortality rates wouldn't spread as much. Viruses can't transmit if the hosts drop dead.
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