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I am saying the same thing. WHEN were those glory days? I'm willing to bet it wasn't the glory days for alot of Americans.
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Originally Posted by Uconn97
Glory days? What does that even mean?
People who believe there were "Glory Days" in this country are the same idiots who bought into the MAGA crap.
All both of these terms are used for are to conjure up obscure references to some bygone era of what clueless people believe were the "good old days" of America.
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Originally Posted by moneill
It would be good to identify exactly what the glory days were.
Similar to the Make America Great Again line...identify specifically the era you are addressing.
Here is a perfect example. Look at Detroit for instance. The poverty , the decline, the violence. Well, at one point in time, Detroit was the wealthiest city in the country. Imagine that. The wealthiest city in the country.
So, many look at Detroit now, and then at what it once was, and of course they are going to think those were the "glory days". Why wouldn't they ?
The Detroit suburb I grew up in was much different, only 25 years ago. No crime, the school system was in the top 5 in the state. Now it is crime riddled, and the schools are ranked some of the worst. So of course it looks better back then, than now. And it was. To say that there were not "glory days" in our country is just ignorant. On the flip side of that though, were these days for everyone ? And the reasons for the decline. Detroit was hit hard by globalism and offshoring/outsourcing.
Sure it does, as it covers how blacks were doing better back in the 50's/60's comparatively, which was my point that you challenged.
your view of black life in America seems to be shaped by the leftist media, Hollywood, and the very people responsible for discriminating against blacks in the south. That being Democrats.
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There are more Blacks in the middle class today than in the 1950s. And this is the thing. Having children in wedlock is a choice. A man sticking around and being a father to his children, that is a choice. The 1950s had far more disadvantages.
My view of Black life, and view of other Black people here is shaped by talking to Black people who lived back then. It's shaped by the research I have done. Hollywood and "leftist media" didn't have to tell me anything. I'm Black, I have Black relatives who lived back in those days. I went to libraries alot when I was a child. Read alot of books. I have read history textbooks in school.
And Black people were being discriminated against overtly throughout America. It was the most pronounced in the South, and codified into law. In the 1950s, Blacks were expected to "know their place". Blacks were expected to just accept segregation as the law of the land. Separate was not equal. Black people were not doing better back in the 50s and 60s. That is a big fat lie.
And some seem to continue to view those years through the very limited eyes of their childhood.
There have been times when I look at the 1990s (my childhood) with some fondness. However, if I had to be an adult back then, it wouldn't have been as great as I perceived it as a child. Being a child means there are some things one is sheltered from.
Black men served valiantly in the wars. Here is the thing. If the armed forces had not been segregated in the first place, that would have been true Americanism. If there was true Americanism, there would have been no need for the Tuskegee unit. Black men would have been fighter pilots from the outset. In fact, in World War I, there were very few Black fighter pilots. None of them flew for the USA. The flew for the Ottoman Empire, the Royal Air Force, and France (the first Black American fighter pilot fiew for France).
Those men who fought for America, despite being discriminated against, came home to find even more discrimination. Black soldiers came home to find that the GI Bill wouldn't help them very much. Some Black soldiers got attacked by racists when they got home. There were very racist individuals who didn't want Blacks fighting in America's armed forces.
As the 1950s and 60s started raging on, more Black people started thinking that America's promise was a joke. The radicalism you saw from Kaepernick, that started with Malcolm X, in the 1950s. Then came the 60s and the riots. If you think taking the knee was bad, consider the riots that took place in the years of 1963-1969. The first urban rebellion by Blacks during the 60s, took place in Birmingham, AL, in 1963. This was a precursor to the riots of 1964 ( New York, Philadelphia, Rochester, Dixmoor), and then it would get worse through the decade.
Regardless of what you think of Kaepernick, it doesn't negate the fact that for Black people, the "glory years" were not the 1950s and 60s. America was very racially charged throughout it history.
Story time again.
My father ( long gone) was KKK. In 1951 ( before my time) he engaged in the Cicero Riots, the first televised race riot in the US. A black, college educated, Korean War veteran and his family rented an apartment in Cicero, Illinois ( blue collar suburb adjacent to Chicago). To appreciate the significance, at the time, black people were allowed to live only in designated areas on the city’s South Side, far removed from white folk.
Word of the imminent move in quickly spread. 5000 white men and women gathered with the intent of removing the black family and destroying the building. Police observed. The angry crowd eventually spilled over into the white business district. Some faced with the prospect of a black family moving in somehow rationalized massive looting by white rioters. Nothing quite like snagging a new TV or wringer washer to compensate for the nerve of this family.
Eventually the state’s National Guard were called in to end the 5 day riot. The family needed to be escorted off the premises. The rioters destroyed the third floor unit down to the studs and all of its contents and personal belongings.
While many rioters were arrested, none were indited. My fathers engagement in this riot remained the high point of his miserable life.
Likely this family did not perceive the 50’s as the glory days.
I didn't view the glory days to be when Robert Byrd, a former KKK official, was the Democrat Majority Leader of the United States Senate and fourth in line for the Presidency. This was just 20 some years ago.
I didn't view the glory days to be when Robert Byrd, a former KKK official, was the Democrat Majority Leader of the United States Senate and fourth in line for the Presidency. This was just 20 some years ago.
Wow...only 20 years ago. And who read the eulogy at his funeral ?
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