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The Detroit suburb I grew up in was much different, only 25 years ago. No crime, the school system was in the top 5 in the state. Now it is crime riddled, and the schools are ranked some of the worst. So of course it looks better back then, than now. And it was. To say that there were not "glory days" in our country is just ignorant. On the flip side of that though, were these days for everyone ? And the reasons for the decline. Detroit was hit hard by globalism and offshoring/outsourcing.
25 years is not so long ago. Just curious - which suburb of Detroit is this that went into such decline so fast?
Sure it does, as it covers how blacks were doing better back in the 50's/60's comparatively, which was my point that you challenged.
your view of black life in America seems to be shaped by the leftist media, Hollywood, and the very people responsible for discriminating against blacks in the south. That being Democrats.
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Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man, as the law required her to do. This incident of defiance is often viewed as the beginning of the civil rights movement.
The Southern Democrat ( once known as Dixiecrats) was a once powerful caucus within the Democrat party.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964, promoted by LBJ, a Democrat with roots in the Southern Democrat caucus, was a turning point. Many Southern Democrat leaders quit the Democrat party to rebrand as Republican and continue to advocate for segregation as their way of life.
The GOP used the fears and reactions of the people in several southern states to flip the states, county by county. In 2005, the then chairman of the GOP formally apologized to the NAACP for exploiting race to win elections.
Some 55 year later, partisans continue to get caught up in the D vs R thing and ignore the not so subtle nuances.
There are reasons why today more people identify as Independent, unaffiliated, than either Democrat or Republican. And apparently, these are the voters most courted by both parties.
25 years is not so long ago. Just curious - which suburb of Detroit is this that went into such decline so fast?
There are many. East Detroit is the one I'm from. And I do have to make a correction, it was 34 years ago. I can't believe it's been that long since I graduated...
Reagan did clean up after Carter.
Giuliani did clean up after Dinkins.
...maybe DeSantis can clean up after Biden.
Crime peaked in the 80- mid 90’s throughout the US, driven in part by crack cocaine trafficking.
Crime substantially declined throughout the US beginning in the mid 90’s and did so regardless of the strategy or lack thereof employed. Giuliani rode the wave as did most mayors of large cities.
There is no consensus among criminologists as to why crime had declined throughout the US.
That NYC was then the largest city in the US, it got more attention than most other cities.
Nomination for 2024 is three years away. Only thing certain is it will be a crowded field for Republicans, as it was in 2016. Early front runners tend not to go the distance.
Crime peaked in the 80- mid 90’s throughout the US, driven in part by crack cocaine trafficking.
Crime substantially declined throughout the US beginning in the mid 90’s and did so regardless of the strategy or lack thereof employed. Giuliani rode the wave as did most mayors of large cities.
There is no consensus among criminologists as to why crime had declined throughout the US.
That NYC was then the largest city in the US, it got more attention than most other cities.
Nomination for 2024 is three years away. Only thing certain is it will be a crowded field for Republicans, as it was in 2016. Early front runners tend not to go the distance.
Well, at least for the majority of the country....
There have been times when I look at the 1990s (my childhood) with some fondness. However, if I had to be an adult back then, it wouldn't have been as great as I perceived it as a child. Being a child means there are some things one is sheltered from.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s as well, and it seemed like it was glory days. I used to travel overseas over the summer, and would think US is so much better - cleaner, more advanced. In high school history, a lot of time was focus on WW2 and the triumphs of the US. A lot less time on Korean and Vietnam War.
I think Columbine event in 1999 was game-changing as it divided our country via one event. In 2001, 9/11 as an attack on US soil made me see that we were not impermeable to world terrorism.
Afghanistan war made sense then and then we, as a nation, were duped into the Iraq War. As the Vietnam War wasn't that long ago, I'm surprised the US, as a society, permitted the Iraq War in the first place. Later, it was viewed, that Afghanistan War was the right war and Iraq was the wrong war. But, now we see that we should have gotten out of Afghanistan, a lot earlier.
Obama was hope in 2008 but by his second Presidential term, he seemed to a disappointment, but still way better than GWB. Part of it was he was hindered by the Tea Party, but Obama could have maneuvered and steered with better legislation in his first term.
I liked the idea of Trump's message, America First. But can't follow in his sentiments of the border hysteria, along with the typical GOP platform, then the anti-mask movement, and all the Trump personal flaws.
US does needs allies and can't be an isolationist country. It can't just ignore climate issues like the GOP platform. It needs its EU allies as well as India, to counter China. This time around, it needs to forget about aiding Pakistan, but possibly focus on diplomacy/ties with Iran. Pick of the poison.
Story time again.
My father ( long gone) was KKK. In 1951 ( before my time) he engaged in the Cicero Riots, the first televised race riot in the US. A black, college educated, Korean War veteran and his family rented an apartment in Cicero, Illinois ( blue collar suburb adjacent to Chicago). To appreciate the significance, at the time, black people were allowed to live only in designated areas on the city’s South Side, far removed from white folk.
Word of the imminent move in quickly spread. 5000 white men and women gathered with the intent of removing the black family and destroying the building. Police observed. The angry crowd eventually spilled over into the white business district. Some faced with the prospect of a black family moving in somehow rationalized massive looting by white rioters. Nothing quite like snagging a new TV or wringer washer to compensate for the nerve of this family.
Eventually the state’s National Guard were called in to end the 5 day riot. The family needed to be escorted off the premises. The rioters destroyed the third floor unit down to the studs and all of its contents and personal belongings.
While many rioters were arrested, none were indited. My fathers engagement in this riot remained the high point of his miserable life.
Likely this family did not perceive the 50’s as the glory days.
I know about the Cicero riot. Sadly, it wouldn't be the last time Cicero would be gripped with such racial violence. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr led a peaceful march in Cicero to protest the housing discrimination going on in the Chicagoland area. He and those working with him were met with violent crowds.
The Cicero riot of 1951 proves that such racism and discrimination wasn't limited to the South. It was quite violent in the South. Stuff like this was going on in the North too. 5,000 people burning a building down simply because a Black family moved in. When looking at this from a moral perspective, that is very psychotic behavior. And that the police didn't care, that certainly tells me the 1950s weren't as glorious as some people would like to believe.
I wonder what your father did in his life, besides participate in the riot. It does leave me curious.
Another thing to consider is the Southern Manifesto. The document written opposition to attempts at integration, it was written in 1956. There was alot of opposition against getting rid of segregation in public places during this time.
If America had its glory days, we both agree that for some, the 1950s were not those glory days.
Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man, as the law required her to do. This incident of defiance is often viewed as the beginning of the civil rights movement.
The Southern Democrat ( once known as Dixiecrats) was a once powerful caucus within the Democrat party.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964, promoted by LBJ, a Democrat with roots in the Southern Democrat caucus, was a turning point. Many Southern Democrat leaders quit the Democrat party to rebrand as Republican and continue to advocate for segregation as their way of life.
The GOP used the fears and reactions of the people in several southern states to flip the states, county by county. In 2005, the then chairman of the GOP formally apologized to the NAACP for exploiting race to win elections.
Some 55 year later, partisans continue to get caught up in the D vs R thing and ignore the not so subtle nuances.
There are reasons why today more people identify as Independent, unaffiliated, than either Democrat or Republican. And apparently, these are the voters most courted by both parties.
Southern Democrats were still Southern Democrats because Lincoln was a Republican. On the major issues that caused the Southern Democrat split when they ran Breckenridge/Douglas versus Lincoln and in doing so elected Lincoln, the parties had really switched. By 1950 or 1960, if you wanted states rights, limited federal government, free trade (which is what the Southern Democrats wanted when they split off), that really was the Republican party at that time. But they were still doggedly voting Democrat.
That's the Democrat-Republican switch. Prior to the switch, you had the Republican party that was big on a powerful federal nanny state regulations and Democrats that were limited federal government, more laissez-faire. I guess that's what you'd call identity politcs though back in the day. The Democratic party had completely abandoned the issues any of the Southern Democrats stood for but up until the 1990s you still had the Democrats controlling things at the state level in the South. At the state level it's just a name and whether you call it a Republican or a Democrat is irrelevant really. Just funny that despite the switch occurring in the 1860s to 1930s period, Southern Democrats were still Democrats into the 1990s despite having almost nothing in common on issues with Democrats elsewhere.
Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man, as the law required her to do. This incident of defiance is often viewed as the beginning of the civil rights movement.
The Southern Democrat ( once known as Dixiecrats) was a once powerful caucus within the Democrat party.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964, promoted by LBJ, a Democrat with roots in the Southern Democrat caucus, was a turning point. Many Southern Democrat leaders quit the Democrat party to rebrand as Republican and continue to advocate for segregation as their way of life.
The GOP used the fears and reactions of the people in several southern states to flip the states, county by county. In 2005, the then chairman of the GOP formally apologized to the NAACP for exploiting race to win elections.
Some 55 year later, partisans continue to get caught up in the D vs R thing and ignore the not so subtle nuances.
There are reasons why today more people identify as Independent, unaffiliated, than either Democrat or Republican. And apparently, these are the voters most courted by both parties.
As someone who has ridden on public transportation, I'm glad I don't live in the 1950s. To be told "you can't sit here, you're Black", I couldn't deal with that. It wasn't the first time Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus. Rosa Park's story doesn't end there. She ended up being fired from her job as a tailor. She got death threats too. She ended up leaving Montgomery, AL and moved to Detroit alongside her husband. Parks paid a price for refusing to "know her place".
The 1948 DNC was a turning point for the Democratic Party. It split between the pro-civil rights Democrats and the pro-segregationist Democrats (Dixiecrats). J. Strom Thurmond ran for President as a Dixiecrat against Democrat Harry S. Truman and Republican Thomas Dewey. Thurmond won 4 states, all of them Deep South states (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina). Interestingly, Strom Thurmond was one of Dixiecrats who defected to the Republican Party during the late 1960s/early 1970s. Jesse Helms of North Carolina was the same way.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 had alot of support from both parties. It was mainly the Southern politicians who said no to it. Very few southern Democrats supported it and no southern Republican supported it. There are plenty of nuances from both parties, back then, and today.
The events you mentioned should serve has more proof that the 1950s were not the glory days for everyone.
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