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Old 11-27-2021, 07:59 PM
 
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Here is a better definition (from the dictionary) than your sanitized propaganda:

Communism:

1) a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production



You leftists can try to put lipstick on the pig as much as you like, but those who know history needn't look any farther than the hundreds of millions of people who have been slaughtered in the name of "communism" to see what it is. It doesn't work. Period. Unless of course you think a police state is a good thing.

Your philosophical mumbo-jumbo version of what "communism" is will NOT work in practice. It has been tried for hundreds of years and ends badly EVERY time. Yet, you folks are dull enough to claim... "Oh, but it will work this time."

It won't. Read some real-life world history for a change rather than damned propaganda.
That's weird, I got this definition from Oxford Languages:
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.


And from Britannica:
political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society
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Everyone is communist. Your home situation is communist, i.e. you share with your kids and expect nothing in return. Communism isn't inherently evil, it just doesn't work on a large scale.
Neither does capitalism, we just killed a million Americans (so far) because we didn't want to shut down Applebees for a month lol.
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Old 11-27-2021, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The AG was looking at parents who threatened school boards. No one gets to threaten officials without consequences.



No, Biden did not stop drilling. He paused leases for a while, but there was a lease auction within the past month. I do hope that Biden revises some of the rules on Federal leases, like increasing the royalty to the 25% that most private landowners get these days - why should the government get a lower royalty? I also support requiring higher bonds for plugging liabilities - there's no reason that a well should be sold from one party to another to another, and the last one declares bankruptcy to get out of plugging a well.

And no, stopping drilling on new Federal leases would not cause gas prices to go up. Oil companies have at least 7,000 drilling locations identified on existing Federal leases that are not subject to any moratoriums.

You can't win on this topic, this is what I do for a living.

Gas prices have gone up because OPEC isn't increasing production, nor are the Russians. US oil companies production levels are lower because the weak, stupid companies that were drilling uneconomic wells have gone bankrupt and aren't drilling now. Companies still in the oil business are not going for marginal barrels that are not economic, since their shareholders want higher returns and debt reduction.
There were no threats. .NONE.... just a leftist black guy who said he would come back with a thousand soldiers.


https://cloudhedges.com/2021/11/15/d...ked-and-loaded


Biden stopped the drilling and fracking. oil and heating costs through the roof. Biden nominee wants the oil companies to go bankrupt ....that should tell you something.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Which is slowly turning into a socialistic state as people wait for government to take care of them, and government propagandists promise exactly that (but fail to deliver as usual).

Actually, not "slowly" any more.

The standard dodge that since we don't meet the EXACT dictionary definition of socialism (or its kissing cousin communism) then we aren't exactly heading for socialism, are irrelevant. Government is taking over the control of more and more of our lives, and deciding for us how much each person will get as it taxes people who earn more, more heavily, and subsidizes people who earn less or none. The attitude that govt is justified in taking more from us to redistribute to others, is all the socialism we need.

We haven't dotted every I and crossed every T present in the dictionary definition, but we are definitely heading that way. And doing what socialistic societies always wind up doing. Whether their advocates intended to do it or not.
But the USA is not becoming a socialistic state. Instead, it is a matter of fact already one from having Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and section 8 housing for starters. So, don't you want your Social Security and Medicare ended to start ending socialism in this country?
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Plenty. Just one of many.. Getting the AG to go after parents tagging them as domestic terrorists simply because they have rights to know what their children are taught in school.
The ones getting "tagged" are the ones making death threats against school board members. You know this.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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But the USA is not becoming a socialistic state. Instead, it is a matter of fact already one from having Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and section 8 housing for starters. So, don't you want your Social Security and Medicare ended to start ending socialism in this country?
And for those who are slow... if you end social security and Medicare, most of you will have to take your parents into your homes and care for them.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Plenty. Just one of many.. Getting the AG to go after parents tagging them as domestic terrorists simply because they have rights to know what their children are taught in school.
LMAO. Keep trying.
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Old 11-28-2021, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But the USA is not becoming a socialistic state. Instead, it is a matter of fact already one from having Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and section 8 housing for starters. So, don't you want your Social Security and Medicare ended to start ending socialism in this country?
People had a mandate to be docked for SS and Medicare. Not so for welfare and section 8 housing or food stamps. You know that.
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Old 11-28-2021, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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LMAO. Keep trying.
I don't have to try , it is fact . You just deny , deny .. we know what the leftists call their masses..."useful idiots" for good reason.
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Old 11-28-2021, 06:23 AM
 
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People had a mandate to be docked for SS and Medicare. Not so for welfare and section 8 housing or food stamps. You know that.
What mandate? Social Security and Medicare both came about by the standard process. They were passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President. Just like any other law. They were opposed by many at the time they were passed.

Welfare and section 8 came about the same way.
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Old 11-28-2021, 06:55 AM
 
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There were no threats. .NONE.... just a leftist black guy who said he would come back with a thousand soldiers.


https://cloudhedges.com/2021/11/15/d...ked-and-loaded


Biden stopped the drilling and fracking. oil and heating costs through the roof. Biden nominee wants the oil companies to go bankrupt ....that should tell you something.
You see the world in total terms of good guys vs bad guys. And your team are the good guys.

Do you realize many of the bad guys own stock in oil companies and work for oil companies? Some of those socialist unions you decry are the people who bring you gasoline. They make their living in the oil patch.

I'll give you another view. Part of the cause of the price increase is demand.IDK where you live but 1/3 of the vehicles I see on the road are big picks up the are bought by choice not need. How many MPG do they get when running 80 MPH? Many drivers are their own worst enemy due to the way they drive.

And another thing. How much water does fracking require? Where does the used water go? How many people buy bottled water? How much petroleum product is used in bottling and delivering that water? How is the bottle water different from filtered water from one's own faucet? What happens to the used bottles?
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