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Old 11-27-2021, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Looks like those that back this communistic spending bill that wants 87,000 new IRS workers coming after you. There are not enough rich people to audit , they are going after everyone. This is Communism.
Taxing us , looking at what we own . This song is more prevalent today than years ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtG8L9XeC64
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Old 11-27-2021, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No, it's not Communism. Government overreach, sure. Communism, no.

Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')is a philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communism is a specific, yet distinct, form of socialism. Communists agree on the withering away of the state but disagree on the means to this end, reflecting a distinction between a more libertarian approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and a more vanguardist or Communist party-driven approach through the development of a constitutional socialist state.

What we live in is a failing, gridlocked, polarized Welfare State. We used to be a Capitalist society but that slowly failed us during the 1990's and 2000's as we lost that fight with China. They did Capitalism better, faster, cheaper, and kicked our butts at our own game.
What you fail to recognize is that America and its freedoms have created an environment of free thinkers who have invented with the freedom to do so and pushed us forward in a very short amount of time. Our inventions and development of many sought after secrets of how we accomplished our advancement is the envy of the world... China has to steal our knowledge and many politicians sell our secrets to them . This is how China advances. Theft. They don't have free thinkers.



China never kicked our butts. We the American people have been sold out to China. We Americans built the greatest nation in the world and now the globalists have allowed us to be forgotten for an extra dollar . The communists are loving to infiltrate in high places. A Chinese scientist stated they have high positions in our government.



The globalists love cheap labor . Right now we are in the socialist phase of what will be Communism in time. You fail to see it but many do. Many are now waking up to the fact we are being challenged by taking our powers away . We have one entity in the white house working against every American for a reason. Power. Those in Washington are not working for us . They are working for themselves to gain that power over us.
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Old 11-27-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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No, it's not Communism. Government overreach, sure. Communism, no.

Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')is a philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communism is a specific, yet distinct, form of socialism. Communists agree on the withering away of the state but disagree on the means to this end, reflecting a distinction between a more libertarian approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and a more vanguardist or Communist party-driven approach through the development of a constitutional socialist state.

What we live in is a failing, gridlocked, polarized Welfare State. We used to be a Capitalist society but that slowly failed us during the 1990's and 2000's as we lost that fight with China. They did Capitalism better, faster, cheaper, and kicked our butts at our own game.
Don’t bother arguing with Taratova. He/she thinks everyone to the left of Joe McCarthy is a communist.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:07 AM
 
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Don’t bother arguing with Taratova. He/she thinks everyone to the left of Joe McCarthy is a communist.
If it walks like a duck... fact is I have had people who lived under Communism tell me that they are seeing it and they came here because they never thought America could become Communist. They are very emotional because of the fear they lived from their own government.



Afraid of their neighbors, afraid to speak, afraid of their own hostile thoughts about their own government living with the hate that they had to endure being told constantly how to think . It is real and maybe if you talked to some who lived under communism , you could get a grasp on what the reality is of what is going on in this country right in front of us.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:22 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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No, it's not Communism. Government overreach, sure. Communism, no.

Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')is a philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. Communism is a specific, yet distinct, form of socialism. Communists agree on the withering away of the state but disagree on the means to this end, reflecting a distinction between a more libertarian approach of communization, revolutionary spontaneity, and workers' self-management, and a more vanguardist or Communist party-driven approach through the development of a constitutional socialist state.

What we live in is a failing, gridlocked, polarized Welfare State. We used to be a Capitalist society but that slowly failed us during the 1990's and 2000's as we lost that fight with China. They did Capitalism better, faster, cheaper, and kicked our butts at our own game.
Here is a better definition (from the dictionary) than your sanitized propaganda:

Communism:

1) a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production



You leftists can try to put lipstick on the pig as much as you like, but those who know history needn't look any farther than the hundreds of millions of people who have been slaughtered in the name of "communism" to see what it is. It doesn't work. Period. Unless of course you think a police state is a good thing.

Your philosophical mumbo-jumbo version of what "communism" is will NOT work in practice. It has been tried for hundreds of years and ends badly EVERY time. Yet, you folks are dull enough to claim... "Oh, but it will work this time."

It won't. Read some real-life world history for a change rather than damned propaganda.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Looks like those that back this communistic spending bill that wants 87,000 new IRS workers coming after you. There are not enough rich people to audit , they are going after everyone. This is Communism.
Taxing us , looking at what we own . This song is more prevalent today than years ago.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtG8L9XeC64
From what I have read over recent years, IRS staff has been severely reduced to the point that they cannot catch the cheaters. They used to be called the only government agency that took in more money than they spent. No more.

Paying your taxes has become an honor system event. Whether you pay or not, or if you make up deductions, or if you "forget" to report some of your income, there is no one to check up on you. So the rest of us end up supporting the tax cheats and the country goes into greater debt.

I think we need to beef up the IRS staff.

As to communism, NO. A government collects taxes to support the common good of the country. You really need to read some basic definitions of communism.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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As to communism, NO. A government collects taxes to support the common good of the country. You really need to read some basic definitions of communism.
The deployment of communist tactics, strategies and ideas don't necessarily fit the dictionary definition of communism. Rather than debate definitions, why not talk about the tactics, strategies and ideas which are actually at issue? You can issue a correction about the definition while discussing those things. When you attack definitions without addressing the substance of what the person wrote or said, you're deflecting from the point of the discussion. Just sayin'.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:27 AM
 
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Here is a better definition (from the dictionary) than your sanitized propaganda:

Communism:

1) a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production



You leftists can try to put lipstick on the pig as much as you like, but those who know history needn't look any farther than the hundreds of millions of people who have been slaughtered in the name of "communism" to see what it is. It doesn't work. Period. Unless of course you think a police state is a good thing.

Your philosophical mumbo-jumbo version of what "communism" is will NOT work in practice. It has been tried for hundreds of years and ends badly EVERY time. Yet, you folks are dull enough to claim... "Oh, but it will work this time."

It won't. Read some real-life world history for a change rather than damned propaganda.
We do not have a single government authority owning or controlling our means of production. In fact, we have the opposite. In many cases the large corporations, through their lobbyists and donations are controlling our government.

Getting back to the OP, Every government needs to collect taxes to operate and to protect its citizens.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:42 AM
 
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We do not have a single government authority owning or controlling our means of production. In fact, we have the opposite. In many cases the large corporations, through their lobbyists and donations are controlling our government.

Getting back to the OP, Every government needs to collect taxes to operate and to protect its citizens.
Can you point to the post where I said we did?

The OP question is "Are You A Communist"?

If that is the only thing you feel we should discuss on this thread, then a simple "yes" or "no" is all that is required.


NO.

There, are you happy?

End of thread. Now go ahead and contribute your "yes" or "no" and leave it at that.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We do not have a single government authority owning or controlling our means of production. In fact, we have the opposite. In many cases the large corporations, through their lobbyists and donations are controlling our government.

Getting back to the OP, Every government needs to collect taxes to operate and to protect its citizens.
87,000 new IRS workers will bring many audits and the IRS can go back as far as they want. How will Americans be able to defend themselves with no paperwork? This is government overreach and they can tell us we owe this or that when we cannot even look back that far .


This governing body of Biden allows illegals to come here and take food stamps , free housing, free medical and to fund this they have to go after Americans while giving the real law breakers our money. They want us to fund the illegals. So they will go after more tax dollars to pay for it. We are not stupid.



Biden throws away our money leaving billions of dollars of our military equipment to the Taliban, wastes money on green energy, fuels inflation with his careless spending and we are the bad guys who go to work and pay our taxes.



How many billions has Biden spent flying illegals to any destination of their choice , buses them and then puts them up in a hotel. In terms of Americans , we have to save our hard earned dollars to have a plane ride to where we want to go and pay for the hotel room and it is considered a luxury because to us it is called a VACATION.
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