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So, if having a vagina is a pre-requisite for using a women's bathroom, how would you determine whether someone is a woman or not?
I don't really care if a woman wants to crap in a mans bathroom. In my life I've seen dozens of women go in mens at conventions, concerts where the line are much shorter.
Not sure if I'm pro or anti anything, but here is what I know.
Modern science has revealed what we used to think was binary (male vs. female) is actually a more nuanced thing.
It's not 1 and 0, but more like spectrum.
One end of the spectrum, you may have what you consider normal man. On the other hand, you may have what you consider normal female. But between both ends, things are not so clear cut.
For example, there are people who are born with male chromosome but with female exterior. There are other people who are born with female chromosome but with male exterior.
I'm not a doctor, but I have science background, and this is how I understand non-binary people from reading about them.
For those who believe a person can be whatever gender s/he chooses, help me understand what female and male mean. Maybe I'm just too old and science-minded to get it, but I actually am quite open-minded in general.
Lately I've seen a lot of articles about the current transgender Jeopardy champion, Amy Schneider, being the biggest winning female in Jeopardy history. What does that even mean? Why is it important to talk about Amy as being the winningest female, if anyone can simply decide they are male or female?
Does male and female actually mean anything meaningful anymore?
You make a good point. There seem to be two completely different and conflicting schools of thought about this on the left. On the one hand we are told that trans people were "born in the wrong body", that they absolutely are, and always were, the sex they've transitioned into. Caitlyn was always Caitlyn and never really Bruce, etc. But from people in the same circles we also hear that gender is totally fluid and not set at all.
I understand your frustration. Your first post makes it clear that you're asking for someone to explain the confusing, contradictory attitudes of the pro-trans movement. But half the people posting here seem to think you personally are promoting these views. It's quite an amazing display of stupidity...
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For those who believe a person can be whatever gender s/he chooses, help me understand what female and male mean. Maybe I'm just too old and science-minded to get it, but I actually am quite open-minded in general.
Lately I've seen a lot of articles about the current transgender Jeopardy champion, Amy Schneider, being the biggest winning female in Jeopardy history. What does that even mean? Why is it important to talk about Amy as being the winningest female, if anyone can simply decide they are male or female?
Does male and female actually mean anything meaningful anymore?
I think the best way to approach this issue is to stop the stigmatizing. Personally, I think almost all people are on a spectrum - or all are on a spectrum of sexuality, whether they choose to address it or not.
I had a mostly gay dad (I exist, so…). I grew up seeing folks who loved each other (I did not see private things) - gender didn’t matter. I was a kid. It was nothing to me. I thought it was healthy.
Who cares? Everyone has friends, coworkers, bosses, etc. who are bi, gay any and everything and they don’t know it. Whay does that matter? In fact it doesn’t.
I’m so tired of folks stigmatizing other folks. It’s gross.
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