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Old 01-30-2022, 01:59 PM
 
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Not true. When was the last time you were in the job market without a college degree on your resume?
If everyone who applies exceeds the minimum qualifications, yes the minimums are irrelevant.

If everyone has a college degree, you need a Masters to differentiate yourself on the job market. If everyone has a Masters, you need a PhD. The death spiral of credential inflation continues.
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Old 01-30-2022, 01:59 PM
 
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How much greater than 100k? Or do you mean LESS than 100k?

I love how people who have no money are always willing to spend other people's money. Like my sister.
Tell me more about your sister. Does she work full-time?
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Why make secondary education free, when for almost all subjects, secondary education is obsolete??

For centuries, universities were these places where the collected wisdom and knowledge of the ages was gathered. You needed to go to the university if you wanted to become an educated person. If you wanted to learn medicine, you needed to go to the only places where knowledge about that was available. The same was true of history, literature, philosophy, chemistry, biology, physics, mathematics, engineering, etc.

At present, every scrap of information you can find at a university can be found online. Now there may need to be some process of verifying that an individual has actually read and studied the material and that the source is valid, but what can I learn at a University that I can't learn at home on my computer? If it's not hands-on training, you can get all the same information without going to college.

The biggest thing still driving the demand for college degrees? The hiring boss thinks, "I had to get one of those damn things. It took me a lot of time, money, and effort. If I had to get a college degree, so should you!"
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:10 PM
 
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If everyone who applies exceeds the minimum qualifications, yes the minimums are irrelevant.

If everyone has a college degree, you need a Masters to differentiate yourself on the job market. If everyone has a Masters, you need a PhD. The death spiral of credential inflation continues.
Countries with free or cheap college don't have that problem.

OUR problem is that we let employers get away with requiring a degree plus years of experience for an entry level job (and then waste everyone's time by not even stating what the salary range is).
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Public transportation is great for commuting. Also, many jobs can be done remotely.

Scholarships and grants do not begin to pay for the bulk of college, unless you are in the top 10% of your class.

Most companies that pay for higher education tuition require a bachelor's degree to be considered for hire in the first place, though there are a few exceptions.
You are a very assuming person... and equally idealistic. No wonder you see socialism as a panacea, and you're wrong.

Over 80% of Americans use personal vehicles to get to work

Go into the military and utilize the GI bill. Serve your country for the greater good (socialism) then serve yourself (capitalism) Works remarkably well. Paid for by the taxpayer via uncle Sam.

Work at Walmart... or Amazon or Chick Fillet... tuition paid for. It's very common, but requires commitment.
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:14 PM
 
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Countries with free or cheap college don't have that problem.

OUR problem is that we let employers get away with requiring a degree plus years of experience for an entry level job (and then waste everyone's time by not even stating what the salary range is).
Countries with free or cheap college DO have that problem. And there's no such thing as free or cheap college - SOMEONE is paying for it. Every goddamn penny.

OUR problem is that the Government interferes where it doesn't belong and screws it up for all of us.
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:15 PM
 
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Why make secondary education free, when for almost all subjects, secondary education is obsolete??

For centuries, universities were these places where the collected wisdom and knowledge of the ages was gathered. You needed to go to the university if you wanted to become an educated person. If you wanted to learn medicine, you needed to go to the only places where knowledge about that was available. The same was true of history, literature, philosophy, chemistry, biology, physics, mathematics, engineering, etc.

At present, every scrap of information you can find at a university can be found online. Now there may need to be some process of verifying that an individual has actually read and studied the material and that the source is valid, but what can I learn at a University that I can't learn at home on my computer? If it's not hands-on training, you can get all the same information without going to college.
Still, most good jobs require a degree and will ignore any applicants who don't have one.

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The biggest thing still driving the demand for college degrees? The hiring boss thinks, "I had to get one of those damn things. It took me a lot of time, money, and effort. If I had to get a college degree, so should you!"
Funny!

True story: the head of the state agency responsible for preparing all the bills and laws for the state legislature where I worked did not have a degree, but he was hired due to cronyism.
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Is this where the left claims Americas wealthy should be the new welfare cash cow train?

If Jeff Bezos doesn’t donate a single penny in his life, that’s his choice.
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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OUR problem is that we let employers get away with requiring a degree plus years of experience for an entry level job (and then waste everyone's time by not even stating what the salary range is).
You’re free to create your own company.
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Old 01-30-2022, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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The primary beneficiary should have some personal skin in the game.
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