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Old 04-19-2022, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
Russia is currently the enemy of the world.
Google is just another part of the world that recognizes that fact and is doing whatever they can to insure Russia's demise, regardless of the outcome of the Russia-Ukraine war.
Elites of USA and Europe is not equal the whole world.
And Google is just a private company doing whatever her directors want it to do. Not the best search engine if you want my opinion, I switched to duckduckgo for privacy reasons.

 
Old 04-19-2022, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Southwest
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Is Yulia Tymoshenko (sp?) involved in anything these days? I haven't read about her in years.
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She's still the head of her party and as such takes part in all parliamentarian activities. For instance, she publicly reminded Zelensky right before the war to demand forgiveness of all Ukrainian debts from USA during the negotiations with Biden. https://ria.ru/20220218/ukraina-1773577536.html


Although, I don't think she retains much of her popularity from the older days after the prison time (and corruption charges that led to it)

I guess she gave up the hair style she was known for.

IIRC, her daughter was married to either a West European or American.
 
Old 04-19-2022, 07:42 PM
 
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Google maps has joined in The World War Against Russia by opening up its maps of Russian bases and strategic locations in high resolution.
Previously, these maps were available in a much lower resolution, but now everything can be seen by anyone - all aircraft, everything.

Never before has the world been so united against a common enemy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMtS...nel=UntoldNews

Once again, this is the "world" in your view.


 
Old 04-19-2022, 07:47 PM
 
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Shariy ( as all intelligent decent Ukrainians) LOATHES Zelensky, as much as he was his supporter during the presidential elections ( when the choice was between him and Poroshenko.)

And Shariy was initially indignant, when Poroshenko gave a hint in one of his presidential ads about the cocaine that Zelensky was using.

By now Shariy acknowledged that he was wrong, Poroshenko was right ( as much as Sh. can't stand him and never could.)
And at this point Sharij stated as well that as sad as it is, Zelensky already superseded even Poroshenko with all the downright criminal activities when it concerns the state affairs and the politics.

How/why Sharij is still alive is a miracle, since the Nazi are hunting down both him and his wife in EU.

They posted the pictures of his young child too lately.
Anyone concerned about the current trajectory of Ukraine sounds like they would be in danger. Zelensky himself is a stooge but the people who pull his strings including the ultranationalists are very dangerous. The bulk of the dissension is between the Ukrainians and Russians or pro-Russian Ukrainians but you've also got a smattering of Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, and others. Whether they support the war or not they must know that a compromised ultranationalist Ukraine is bad for them too.

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I believe his handlers are whoever CIA assigned to the role of his handler, or Department of State maybe. Kolomoisky played certain role in Zelensky becoming the president, but lost the internal struggle and managed to retain his assets and independence, but lost all his control over state affairs. Nuland was just a USA official, her influence ended when she lost her job.
Well we know that his life has been threatened. Don't trust him in general though. Do you think he actually wanted to respect the Minsk ceasefire or was confronting the Azov forces just for show back in 2019?

What are you guys' thoughts on CSTO? Could they have any part to play in all this or are they just sitting it out altogether?

Also, with the stated concern of NATO on Russia's doorstep, it begs the question of what Russia's feelings are towards Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia since they're member states.
 
Old 04-19-2022, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Joke of the day:
Once upon a time, Mossad was hunting and killing Nazis and terrorists. But it was doing it in small quantities, one at a time. Now, Zelensky gathered them all in big numbers, in one well-known place, forbade to surrender and told to wait for missile and bomb strikes. Maybe Volodimir works for Mossad, don't you think?
 
Old 04-19-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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Once again, this is the "world" in your view.

Definitely the BEST part of the world ....the rest ....not so good
 
Old 04-19-2022, 07:56 PM
 
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That's NOT what I am talking about in this case.
Grasped that but had no wish to spend time on your assertions or conjectures. Prefer the verifiable or what has a high likelihood of capturing "the real."

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So why then the civilians ( at least) are not coming out?
Any idea?
Actually they are coming out, about a couple of hundred a few hours ago. Covered on a pro-Russian channel by an embedded Russian reporter. Don't ask me for a link.

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What I will discuss is this, more evidence Russia does not want easily available Mariupol witnesses. This supports the Mariupol mayor's contention: Russians hiding possible witnesses inside Russia now weeding out those who have 'stories to tell.'

As indicated earlier, private attempts were organized to get people out of Mariupol. That included the small but tightly knit Jewish community and their Rabbi who worked "tirelessly" to put together rescues. Now literally having escaped the Russians, their stories are important.

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Mariupol was besieged so quickly that few residents were able to flee. But Rabbi Cohen had a leg surgery scheduled for mid-February in Israel, and with the Russian army looming at the border, he followed advice to take his whole family along. Just days later, the Cohens knew that the leg surgery and accompanying advice had quite likely saved their lives.
https://www.chabad.org/news/article_...-Community.htm
Rabbi Cohen returned to the Romania border and started up a rescue service to reach his community spending days going through contact lists dialing and dialing. Finally he got a call from a group who managed to hike out through the shelling to reach a village where they could charge phones. All they had were passports. (Lucky, for Russians have confiscated passports.)

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Thus began the field rescues, costing huge amounts of money to hire locals who knew the terrain and were unafraid of the war raging all around. But the Cohens would give anything to save each life, and around the world, people who understood did the same, and support began pouring in.
https://www.chabad.org/news/article_...-Community.htm
A series of personal experiences follows. These are not people who still have homes; the damage really is that extensive. Many refer to people who died including loved ones and near escapes suggesting the final death toll will be high.

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They arrived to find almost everything completely destroyed. Sonia described the shock of only seeing piles of rubble where all her friends’ and neighbors’ homes had once stood, and dead bodies lying in the streets.

The boy quickly helped her pull her husband’s body into a room, and gave her a paper and pen to write down his name, and place it on his body; a practice he told her was being done all around the city because going outside for burial was too dangerous. ...

There [at the hospital], they learned that the Russians were allowing three small buses out per day, but many didn’t make it all the way, and the waiting list to get on one was thousands of people long. Sonia and Klara waited at the hospital for almost two weeks, but their turn never came. It seemed hopeless.
https://www.chabad.org/news/article_...-Community.htm
THIS WHILE THE THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS REPEATEDLY SENT FULL-SIZED BUSES IN CONVOYS AFTER RUSSIAN "AGREEMENT" ONLY TO BE TURNED AWAY. RUSSIA LITERALLY TRAPPED PEOPLE INSIDE THE CITY IN HORRIBLE CONDITIONS LITERALLY LETTING THEM DIE.

Some may well be profiting from getting locals to the west. However, it only takes one look at a volunteer group still imprisoned in Donetsk mistreated for the crime of attempting to rescue from Mariupol. The danger both from being "caught" not to mention crossing Russian checkpoints or possible shelling is both high and real. Since that was published (April 6, 2022), more deaths in the Jewish community:

@AuschwitzMuseum
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At 10 years old, Vanda Semyonovna Obiedkova survived the Germans by hiding in a basement in Mariupol.
81 years later, she died in a basement in the same city as a victim of the horrific war hiding from the Russians.

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As she lay dying in a Mariupol basement, freezing and pleading for water, Holocaust survivor Vanda Semyonovna Obiedkova wanted to know only one thing: “Why is this happening?” ... After her mother passed away, Larissa and her husband risked their lives to bury Obiedkova, amid non-stop shelling, in a public park less than a kilometer from the Azov Sea. “The whole Mariupol has turned into a cemetery,” says Rabbi Mendel Cohen, director of Chabad-Lubavitch of Mariupol and the Ukrainian port city’s lone rabbi.
https://www.chabad.org/news/article_...campaign=tw_en
The Jewish community is a sample of the Mariupol experience, certainly the hard-hit and isolated western half of Mariupol. A disproportionally high number were rescued during the "worst period" to tell their stories that then reach the outside world disseminated by Jewish organizations. It forms a snapshot of what Russia attempts to hide that won't be easily replicated. Other experiences will come out individually over time, dismissed by the Russians as fake news.

THESE JEWS LIVED IN NAZI AZOV-BASE MARIUPOL BUT IT WAS RUSSIA WHO BY NOT ALLOWING THEM TO LEAVE OR FOOD IN RESULTED IN THEIR DEATHS. How ironic.

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Old 04-19-2022, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Well we know that his life has been threatened. Don't trust him in general though. Do you think he actually wanted to respect the Minsk ceasefire or was confronting the Azov forces just for show back in 2019?

What are you guys' thoughts on CSTO? Could they have any part to play in all this or are they just sitting it out altogether?

Also, with the stated concern of NATO on Russia's doorstep, it begs the question of what Russia's feelings are towards Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia since they're member states.
1) I don't know. He's been more ruthless and criminal than Poroshenko. Either his peace stance was just a play in the first part, or he was told to take the correct course of actions or "else" right after elections, IDK. But he willingly raised stakes all the time, and I think he has certain level of authority as a president.

2) CSTO? What CSTO? I don't think anyone but Belarus is in it. Belarus keeps its army at ready in case Poland decides to step in, but that's it.

3) Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia are not a threat as long as there's no American forces or missiles on the ground. But their population and economies will continue to deteriorate and at faster pace.
 
Old 04-19-2022, 08:14 PM
 
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Mayor says 200,000 jobs could be lost in Moscow due to the war and sanctions.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...yor-2022-4?amp
Multiple recent comments from Russian officials:


@IlyaMatveev_
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Rare glimpses of honesty from senior Russian officials.

Elvira Nabiullina, head of the Central Bank: logistical blockade hurts even more than financial sanctions. Supply chains are broken. (1/11)

Inventories will run out very soon and inflation will soar. (2/11)

Sergei Sobyanin, mayor of Moscow: 200,000 people are at risk of losing jobs in Moscow alone. (3/11)

Andrei Belousov, deputy prime minister [this one wasn't reported in the West, but it's crucial]: economic stimulus to fight the crisis without risking further inflation is limited to 7-8 trln rubles and the government has already reached this limit. (4/11)

Thus there's not much room to further stimulate the economy financially. (5/11)

Overall: economic sanctions are very effective at disrupting the Russian economy. Whether they can weaken the war machine is another matter. There are two factors: 1) overall military budget, 2) dependence on imports in the military-industrial complex. (6/11)

Regarding the first factor: I don't think anything short of complete energy embargo can reduce military spending, and even that might not do it. (7/11)

Second factor is trickier, however. Military production is very opaque and no one will disclose import dependency there, obviously, but there is some indirect evidence. (8/11)

E.g. Dmitry Rogozin, then deputy prime minister, admitted in 2014 that 640 Russian military products require components from NATO and EU countries. (9/11)

There were plans to substitute most of these imports by 2018, but, knowing the general ineptitude of Russian economic policy, I seriously doubt that this goal was reached. (10/11)

Bottom line: logistical and other export-oriented sanctions likely disrupt supply chains in the military industry and therefore should stay. (11/11)
 
Old 04-19-2022, 10:43 PM
 
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Sanctions....



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