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Old 02-25-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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I agree.
Looking at a map of Ukraine, Modova stands out. They are not in NATO and are a former soviet state. Seems like the logical next step if Putin is not done yet. And they border Ukraine. They have already taken in thousands of Ukrainian refugees.

 
Old 02-25-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Looking at a map of Ukraine, Modova stands out. They are not in NATO and are a former soviet state. Seems like the logical next step if Putin is not done yet.
Do you mean Moldova?
 
Old 02-25-2022, 09:56 AM
 
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None of it would matter because Putin if faced with fighting American troops will use nuclear weapons. End of story and no one will ever again have to be concerned about NATO or defending another European country.
We all realize how completely insane that is, right? Who is this nut job with his finger on the nuke button, using it as leverage to take over entire countries?! WTF??!!

And ya know, he could just fake us all out by next (after he dusts his hands of after taking over Ukraine) trying to take back a Central Asian stan or two. The US has military facilities there, to support its "issues" with Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, etc. And it's pretty clear at this point, that Putin wants his buffer-countries back. He (along with others of his ilk) is still mad that all those bits of the USSR went running off in 90/91.

From a bigger-picture perspective, it's not just about NATO.
 
Old 02-25-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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We'd better be willing to defend Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. They are full members of NATO. If we aren't willing to defend them, write off NATO now.
Yep. A lack of willingness to defend NATO member nations would mark the end of NATO, as you would see nations leaving their NATO alliance, becoming instantly vulnerable to Russia, and it would also mark the downfall of the dominance of western powers in the world and massive shift of power to the east.
 
Old 02-25-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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Yep. A lack of willingness to defend NATO member nations would mark the end of NATO, as you would see nations leaving their NATO alliance, becoming instantly vulnerable to Russia, and it would also mark the downfall of the dominance of western powers in the world and massive shift of power to the east.
I am fairly sure this is what a number of posters here are after. It is likely some are Americans, but some who I've long suspected of being Russian trolls are doing nothing but adding to that suspicion.
 
Old 02-25-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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There are currently three former soviet republics in Nato. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. What is to stop Putin from invading those countries with what's going on in Ukraine?

Would we really go in to a nuclear war over Estonia if Russia decided to invade them?
Are you familiar with the phrase "Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile"?
 
Old 02-25-2022, 10:09 AM
 
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Looking at a map of Ukraine, Modova stands out. They are not in NATO and are a former soviet state. Seems like the logical next step if Putin is not done yet. .
Putin already dealt with Moldova over Transdnistria, which it currently occupies. Same playbook, pretty much: a fake film of atrocities perpetrated by Moldova against Russians was run on TV to justify the occupation, similar to the film P was going to run to justify invading Ukraine, but the US got a copy of the Ukraine one in advance, and blew his cover.

It then "recognized" the region as a republic independent of Moldova. Just like they did with Abkhazia and southern Ossetia in Georgia, which now receive about half their budgets from Moscow. There's a fairly consistent m.o. involved in these actions against former regions of the USSR.

https://www.rulac.org/browse/conflic...dova-by-russia
 
Old 02-25-2022, 10:11 AM
 
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Looking at a map of Ukraine, Modova stands out. They are not in NATO and are a former soviet state. Seems like the logical next step if Putin is not done yet. And they border Ukraine. They have already taken in thousands of Ukrainian refugees.
He already has Moldova. They consider themselves a satellite state. They are equal to Belarus
 
Old 02-25-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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I am fairly sure this is what a number of posters here are after. It is likely some are Americans, but some who I've long suspected of being Russian trolls are doing nothing but adding to that suspicion.
You would risk world war to protect Latvia? You would go to Europe yourself and send your children to certain death for Latvia? I understand NATO and the importance of a strong western alliance, so did Trump when he pushed the NATO countries to pay more for defense. I just disagree that we should of allowed Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia to join NATO in 2004, it threatens everything NATO stands for if we don’t act. Why did we expand NATO so far East to include countries that add little military support to strengthen NATO but that can trap us into a war?
 
Old 02-25-2022, 10:17 AM
 
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I am fairly sure this is what a number of posters here are after. It is likely some are Americans, but some who I've long suspected of being Russian trolls are doing nothing but adding to that suspicion.
Which Georgia did you say you're a transplant from? Just curious.
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