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Sorry, I guess I saw your Kia remark and assumed that you were saying that EVs are no better than Minivans. That is what our buddy Paracord thinks. My Model Y is no better than any other small SUV apparently. Of course he has never driven an EV so he is clearly an expert.
About the price of Teslas, I just checked and to get the exact same car configured the same as when I bought less than 2 years ago, the Model Y would cost $15K more, wow. I wouldn't buy it at that price and would opt for something like the Ionic 5 or Kia EV6 if I were buying today.
The EV naysayers have some valid points such as the cost, range and recharge time, etc. but I think those problems will be fixed in the coming years sufficiently to win the customers.
About the price of Teslas, I just checked and to get the exact same car configured the same as when I bought less than 2 years ago, the Model Y would cost $15K more, wow. I wouldn't buy it at that price and would opt for something like the Ionic 5 or Kia EV6 if I were buying today.
The EV naysayers have some valid points such as the cost, range and recharge time, etc. but I think those problems will be fixed in the coming years sufficiently to win the customers.
Based on what though? Your premise is that that average person would be motivated to buy an EV simply because it is powered by electric rather than gasoline. You're talking about EVs simply becoming "the equal" of what we already have with gas.
The average person isn't going to switch just because it is electric.
About the price of Teslas, I just checked and to get the exact same car configured the same as when I bought less than 2 years ago, the Model Y would cost $15K more, wow. I wouldn't buy it at that price and would opt for something like the Ionic 5 or Kia EV6 if I were buying today.
The EV naysayers have some valid points such as the cost, range and recharge time, etc. but I think those problems will be fixed in the coming years sufficiently to win the customers.
Yeah, I paid $52,290 (no sales tax) and got a $5,000 check from NJ (paid for directly out of paracord's taxes) so my final cost was $47,290. If I ordered new today, it would cost me $64,440 (I guess paracord complained to Governor Murphy so the $5k is no longer available), so a difference of +17,150 (and for a depreciating asset no less!). Pretty huge price increase for only about 1 1/2 years later.
So I havent looked for a car since I bought my Tesla, but due to price increases there is certainly no guarantee that I would get another Tesla.
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Based on what though? Your premise is that that average person would be motivated to buy an EV simply because it is powered by electric rather than gasoline. You're talking about EVs simply becoming "the equal" of what we already have with gas.
The average person isn't going to switch just because it is electric.
Ok...so what...I don't get your hatred for another type of vehicle
did you hate when they started seatbelts??, or when carbs got replaced by fuelies, or when the disc brake replaced the drum as the standard?
you are against subsidies for electric, but what about all the subsidies for oil
when I lived in Germany (late 80's), gasoline was $3 a liter...aka over $9/gallon.... in the US the government gives subsidies to keep the price so low
so what are you going to do IF gas prices hit 9 or 10/gal here??
Ok...so what...I don't get your hatred for another type of vehicle
did you hate when they started seatbelts??, or when carbs got replaced by fuelies, or when the disc brake replaced the drum as the standard?
you are against subsidies for electric, but what about all the subsidies for oil
when I lived in Germany (late 80's), gasoline was $3 a liter...aka over $9/gallon.... in the US the government gives subsidies to keep the price so low
so what are you going to do IF gas prices hit 9 or 10/gal here??
HAHA hatred? what? I'm just speaking logic. Hate has nothing to do with it.
Your analogies are off, no wonder you still can't understand:
1. Seatbelts: These introduced FUNCTIONALITY that didn't exist before that people like, unlike electrics.
2. Carbs: See above
3. disc brakes: See above.
Again: ELECTRICS ARE A DOWNGRADE IN PERFORMANCE AND FUNCTIONALITY, NOT AN UPGRADE.
Gas won't hit that level here because we have the ability to produce it ourselves and we have the DEMAND to do it, as Joe Biden is seeing now. The entire world runs on it, basically.
We are nothing like Germany in that regard, and never will be. We have wide open spaces, like big cars, and like to travel around...a lot!
Again: ELECTRICS ARE A DOWNGRADE IN PERFORMANCE AND FUNCTIONALITY, NOT AN UPGRADE.
really a downgrade??
how about the Lotus Evija... Four electric motors cranking out a combined 2,000 horsepower
or the Maserati MC20 EV
or the GMC Hummer EV with 1,000 horsepower, a 0-60 mph time of three seconds
and for 2023....Tesla Roadster .. 0-60 mph in less than two seconds, a 250-mph-or-higher top speed, more than 600 miles of range
and just announced for 2024...Dodge Electric Muscle Car...an all-wheel-drive retro-styled burnout machine that might well humble even the mighty Dodge Demon in the quarter mile. And hey, if you can't burn gas, you can still burn rubber. https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/g344...electric-cars/
sorry but electrics are going to make ICE vehicles seem like driving a mule soon
Well, a lot of emotional people confuse pointing out tough facts with "hate."
"hate" is actually a buzzword today for those people. It means "anything they don't agree with."
ok...not hate... but a very visible bias against EV
again YOU ARE THE OP
you started this thread...you stated that EV's ARE NOT the future...so prove your statement...,...because the ONLY thing you have halfway argued it that functionality TODAY is not quite there....yet your title and poll are about the future
you haven't even defined what the word future (how many years or decades) means
Based on what though? Your premise is that that average person would be motivated to buy an EV simply because it is powered by electric rather than gasoline. You're talking about EVs simply becoming "the equal" of what we already have with gas.
The average person isn't going to switch just because it is electric.
Based on EV's offering more range and power at lower cost with more different types of EV's offered. Currently it's early adopters like myself buying EV's but once the price drops to or below comparable ICE vehicles, we'll see a tidal wave of switching to EV.
When I bought my Model Y 22 months ago, it was $15K less than what I would have to pay now if configured the same, so it was cheaper than comparable fast Crossovers such as Porsche Macan or BMW X3 but now I think it's become more expensive or comparably priced.
I still love the instantaneous power and great handling of my Y as well as the super low operating cost. Now though, there's other options that I would probably pick if I were buying today such as the BMW I4. I think the power of a good EV makes it more fun than ICE cars, silent but deadly (fast).
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