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Old 04-07-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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Complete nonsense.


First, using phrases like "awash" is just intellectually dishonest. You have NO idea how many guns in America are stolen or smuggled. Also, smuggled is another crazy term. Most guns used in homicides are perfectly legal to sell and purchase in America, so nope...they are NOT "smuggled."


Second, no rational, sane gun owner is supporting or defending those that use guns illegally in crimes or those that posses stolen guns.


The anti-gun crowd has made some statements here that range from completely false to totally bizarre. This seems to be a recurring theme around here.


As the other leftists love to say...."educate yourself" on firearms in America before making such crazy statements.
The anti firearm crowd doesn't care about facts. They just listen to whatever Shannon what's her name from Mom's Demand Action blathers on about.
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:14 AM
 
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See this guy about the bad math. I used his.



I can't sneak a tangerine across, and you've got criminal running boxcar-loads going straight from the factory across the border and back, untouched by clean hands.

Hey, don't forget that the ATF under Obama sold tons of AK-47s to shady buyers and allowed them to take them back across the border into Mexico and then lost track of them.


One wound up killing a Border Patrol Agent in AZ. One killed a Mexican beauty contest winner at a party in Mexico City and another wound up at the house of El Chapo, when the Mexican Marines raided his compound.


...oh joy!
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:17 AM
 
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Hey, don't forget that the ATF under Obama sold tons of AK-47s to shady buyers and allowed them to take them back across the border into Mexico and then lost track of them.


One wound up killing a Border Patrol Agent in AZ. One killed a Mexican beauty contest winner at a party in Mexico City and another wound up at the house of El Chapo, when the Mexican Marines raided his compound.


...oh joy!
The Democrats save the say....again !
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:20 AM
 
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Hey, don't forget that the ATF under Obama sold tons of AK-47s to shady buyers and allowed them to take them back across the border into Mexico and then lost track of them.


One wound up killing a Border Patrol Agent in AZ. One killed a Mexican beauty contest winner at a party in Mexico City and another wound up at the house of El Chapo, when the Mexican Marines raided his compound.


...oh joy!
But if an American citizen tries to buy a full automatic (illegally), the ATF and every other law enforcement agency come down on them HARD and FAST?! LOL Gee, I wonder if they have an agenda or not? LOL...


Even cty/state law enforcement are QUICK to enforce federal firearms laws! Unbelievable!
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:23 AM
 
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So, what you're saying is that everyone - including law abiding citizens - should have their 2A rights taken away because criminals steal guns and use them in crimes? Say that out loud. Next up: ban all motor vehicles because some people drive while intoxicated and kill other people.

Repeat this phrase until it seeps into the crevices of your brain: "The only person responsible for a gun related death is the person who pulled the trigger." That's pretty simple stuff, but will require you to accept the notion of personal responsibility - which is apparently a reprehensible concept to lefties. Before you propose idiotic solutions, consider the possibility if said logic were applied to everything.
You are right, but its not funny, considering that MANY so called Americans totally support aggressive enforcement of these laws!!


What that really means is, many Americans are easily duped into accepting and even celebrating tyranny.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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"The debate over gun control can be summed up thusly: Those of us who don't like guns in the hands of our non-costumed brethren, will vote to ensure men with guns, under the guise of the "law," will come and take the property that is rightfully yours, killing you should you resist our will sufficiently.

This is what we call "violence by-proxy" and makes the voter for violence no less culpable in the extortion and death that will ensue.

As Stefan Molyneux correctly observed; if a person claims they are non-violent and are for “gun control” they are not truly anti-gun nor are they non-violent people - because the reality is that guns and violence will be needed to disarm innocent law abiding people.

This is because those people who claim they are anti-gun and anti-violence, who claim to support “gun control,” will need the credible threat of police violence and the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns should they resist the attempt to further centralize their monopoly on violence.

So those who claim to be anti-gun and anti-violence are really very pro-gun and very pro-violence. They ultimately believe that only government officials (which are of course portrayed as reliable, honest, moral, and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. This obviously flies in the face of reality as the 20th century has proven once and for all.

It’s important to note that those who advocate this type of centralized monopoly of violence do so as cowards, because it’s not their lives on the line, rather they advocate others using violence on their behalf in
order to force their misguided views on innocent people who wish to do nothing other than protect themselves and other innocents.

There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry."--Ron Danielowski
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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"The debate over gun control can be summed up thusly: Those of us who don't like guns in the hands of our non-costumed brethren, will vote to ensure men with guns, under the guise of the "law," will come and take the property that is rightfully yours, killing you should you resist our will sufficiently.

This is what we call "violence by-proxy" and makes the voter for violence no less culpable in the extortion and death that will ensue.

As Stefan Molyneux correctly observed; if a person claims they are non-violent and are for “gun control” they are not truly anti-gun nor are they non-violent people - because the reality is that guns and violence will be needed to disarm innocent law abiding people.

This is because those people who claim they are anti-gun and anti-violence, who claim to support “gun control,” will need the credible threat of police violence and the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns should they resist the attempt to further centralize their monopoly on violence.

So those who claim to be anti-gun and anti-violence are really very pro-gun and very pro-violence. They ultimately believe that only government officials (which are of course portrayed as reliable, honest, moral, and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. This obviously flies in the face of reality as the 20th century has proven once and for all.

It’s important to note that those who advocate this type of centralized monopoly of violence do so as cowards, because it’s not their lives on the line, rather they advocate others using violence on their behalf in
order to force their misguided views on innocent people who wish to do nothing other than protect themselves and other innocents.

There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry."--Ron Danielowski
Wish I could rep you more for this post.


Funny how these goof balls are always relying on SOMEONE else.


More people need to stand up and defend themselves...if the cops, ATF, FBi try to come and violate your Constitutional rights...Make sure they DONT EVER do this again to anyone else, If more Americans would stand up and exercise their 2A rights, law enforcement wouldnt dare try to violate our rights.


Ultimately, these law enforcement officers that would intentionally violate another citizens rights, are complete scum bags.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Every single gun used in a crime was oreginally bought by a "responsibe gun owner" You guys have done a pretty crappy job of securing them. Of course, those guns have to be registered, to track the "responsible" owners who funneling them ino the underworld. So why not have a registration system? Ah, you don't want to have it on you if your gun gets in the wrong hands.

20,000 gun deaths means 20,000 responsible gun owners who failed to control their secret 19th century arsenal that is so essential to the security of a free 21st century state.
Hilarious. A registration system.


People die of natural causes. What do you do with those firearms? It's now the responsibility of whom? The granddaughter who's never touched a gun in her life? If she handles the situation wrong you lefters would make her a felon.

Repeat that situation millions of times and your "system" is simply GIGO. Useless data.


How does someone report a stolen gun if they don't know it's been stolen. No gun owner I know does daily inventory. Just a simply horrible idea.
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:13 AM
 
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Old 04-07-2022, 09:28 AM
 
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And "group" therapy.
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