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Old 04-23-2022, 12:01 PM
 
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Well, first of all, you are watching too much Ukrainian propaganda. As Gen. Hodges, I believe, has said, Ukraine is winning the war on Twitter, not in real life. We are all supporting the brave Ukrainians, but let's not forget the reality.

Unfortunately, Ukraine has no path to victory. Putin cannot afford to lose the war, or he won't survive. He will reduce Ukraine to ruins, if it comes to that. What sucks, in your words, is not the entire military, but the way the war has been planned and executed, with attacks on all fronts without securing proper logistics to support such a spread-out force.

Yes, the Russian military doctrine seems to have been stuck in the WWII, and their military shows the superiority of well-trained American volunteer force over the conscription-based poor Russian model.

What doesn't suck is the Russian weapons. Kalashnikov is the most popular automatic in the world. Whatever else they could steal in the West, they simplified and tried to improve.

What does suck in their training and morale. They are the invaders, after all.
Putin will turn Ukraine into Syria
Cause the West wont risk war with Russia
Afghanistan was too rural, uncivilized in that it had little infrastructure to destroy…
Couldn’t use tanks and resupply was difficult—certainly more than Ukraine
IMO no military background

 
Old 04-24-2022, 02:22 AM
 
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Putin will turn Ukraine into Syria
Cause the West wont risk war with Russia
Afghanistan was too rural, uncivilized in that it had little infrastructure to destroy…
Couldn’t use tanks and resupply was difficult—certainly more than Ukraine
IMO no military background
The difference is that Russia needs to hold captured territory against an organized and well armed insurgent force. Snipers. Poisoned food. Supplies destroyed. The losses among the conscript troops will be enormous and those troops are likely to be very demoralized.
 
Old 04-24-2022, 06:34 AM
 
Location: North America
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The weaknesses of a kleptocracy are manifest in the Russian 'special military operation'. The systemic theft of funds and material are not a bug but a feature. When your rule is based on bribing a base of elites with funds stolen from the masses, you will find in every sector of society people at the top of sub-pyramids doing exactly the same thing, and weakening the entire structure as a result.

This is not complicated.
 
Old 04-24-2022, 08:09 AM
 
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Putin will turn Ukraine into Syria
Cause the West wont risk war with Russia
Afghanistan was too rural, uncivilized in that it had little infrastructure to destroy…
Couldn’t use tanks and resupply was difficult—certainly more than Ukraine
IMO no military background
Syria? The Syrian Civil War is a complex situation involving multiple armed factions fighting both the Government and each other. I don't get the comparison. Can you explain?
 
Old 04-25-2022, 07:35 PM
 
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Syria? The Syrian Civil War is a complex situation involving multiple armed factions fighting both the Government and each other. I don't get the comparison. Can you explain?
The one tactic that Putin employs in all of his military adventures is to bomb the civilian infrastructure to rubble, and that includes homes and civilian neighborhoods. He started this in Chechnya and did the same in Syria, and he is following this form in Ukraine as well. A scorched earth campaign rarely works, unless you can obtain the support of the local government. Putin made a deal with the lead gangster in Chechnya, and also has the obvious support of Assad in Syria.

His days of having Russian stooges run Ukraine seem to be over now, especially after the numerous war crimes against civilians there. Never again will Ukraine peacefully go along with someone like Poroshenko, who, ironically, went from being a Russian stooge of Putin living in exile in Russia to now commanding a battalion of Ukrainians fighting against Russia.
 
Old 04-26-2022, 03:22 AM
 
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Do you think there's any chance that his Oligarchs could turn on him?
 
Old 04-26-2022, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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Do you think there's any chance that his Oligarchs could turn on him?
most have but that will not remove him. he will either be shot or escorted out of the room by a Kremlin or military member.
 
Old 04-26-2022, 05:32 AM
 
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The one tactic that Putin employs in all of his military adventures is to bomb the civilian infrastructure to rubble, and that includes homes and civilian neighborhoods. He started this in Chechnya and did the same in Syria, and he is following this form in Ukraine as well. A scorched earth campaign rarely works, unless you can obtain the support of the local government. Putin made a deal with the lead gangster in Chechnya, and also has the obvious support of Assad in Syria.

His days of having Russian stooges run Ukraine seem to be over now, especially after the numerous war crimes against civilians there. Never again will Ukraine peacefully go along with someone like Poroshenko, who, ironically, went from being a Russian stooge of Putin living in exile in Russia to now commanding a battalion of Ukrainians fighting against Russia.
I don't think that was his original intent. Syria, as opposed to Ukraine, he does not consider his territory. He just wants some Med naval bases. Ukraine however is different, as he considers it part of Russia. He doesn't want to rule over rubble (although he may be left to the strategy as a fallback).
Russian strategy is more on "hybrid warfare" and better examples can be found in what he used in Crimea and Georgia. This would include a disinformation campaign, the use of his "little green men" in place before actual fighting began, attacks against command and control and infrastructure, and then mass armor crossing the border to overwhelm Ukrainian forces. He obviously expected Ukraine to fold like a deck of cards within weeks. That didn't work so now he is going to the "scorched earth" policy I guess you can say, particular in the east and black sea. Apparently he wants Odessa now.

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Old 04-26-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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The weaknesses of a kleptocracy are manifest in the Russian 'special military operation'. The systemic theft of funds and material are not a bug but a feature. When your rule is based on bribing a base of elites with funds stolen from the masses, you will find in every sector of society people at the top of sub-pyramids doing exactly the same thing, and weakening the entire structure as a result.

This is not complicated.
Another thing not too complicated to comprehend, Russia will take decade(s) to recover. The march of western civilization marches on whether the world likes it or not. China, you paper tiger, your next.
 
Old 04-26-2022, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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Another thing not too complicated to comprehend, Russia will take decade(s) to recover. The march of western civilization marches on whether the world likes it or not. China, you paper tiger, your next.
Since a then newly united Vietnam slapped down China a generation ago and now watching Russians dealing with some folks who don't want to be Russian I don't think any Chinese leader will actually try anything
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