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I am still trying to figure out why this thread is in the POC area and not the relationships area.
Probably to relieve the Relationships sub of the constant barrage of incel and woe-is-me posts from desperate, insecure male posters seeking validation.
Probably to relieve the Relationships sub of the constant barrage of incel and woe-is-me posts from desperate, insecure male posters seeking validation.
Amen - this topic has been beaten to death already on the relationships forum. Whether they are incels, red pillers, mgtow, or whatever the latest collective being used for low value males who can't get the partner of their choice and can't stop bellyaching all over the internet about the eeevil wimmins - no one really cares. They aren't just seeking validation, they are also suffering from an outrageous sense of entitlement. Because they are "nice guys" - their idea of a relationship is purely transactional.
Amen - this topic has been beaten to death already on the relationships forum. Whether they are incels, red pillers, mgtow, or whatever the latest collective being used for low value males who can't get the partner of their choice and can't stop bellyaching all over the internet about the eeevil wimmins - no one really cares. They aren't just seeking validation, they are also suffering from an outrageous sense of entitlement. Because they are "nice guys" - their idea of a relationship is purely transactional.
100%
I have one remaining degenerate acquaintance from the town I grew up in, and we still chat from time to time.
The way he describes what he thinks a relationship between a man and woman boils down to, it indicates to me a man-child who didn't have proper guidance from a strong male figure in his life. Insecurity is at the root of it all. And yes, it is completely transactional to him and the rest of them. His exact quote to me was something along the lines of "Men aren't interested or capable in friendship with women. They are only hoping to get something physical out of it". Since these guys can't attract much better than whatever alkie, drugged out loser wishes to mooch on him that week, they wind up believing that all women behave the same.
When I was much younger, I used to think this guy was cool, funny, and had it together. Now that I see him floundering out there with women, essentially friendless, I just realize how pathetic he actually is. And of course, he has zero interest in self-improvement. Resentment and blame is the sword they fall on.
Amen - this topic has been beaten to death already on the relationships forum. Whether they are incels, red pillers, mgtow, or whatever the latest collective being used for low value males who can't get the partner of their choice and can't stop bellyaching all over the internet about the eeevil wimmins - no one really cares. They aren't just seeking validation, they are also suffering from an outrageous sense of entitlement. Because they are "nice guys" - their idea of a relationship is purely transactional.
Honestly I've come to see it just like a whole lot of different cultish internet "communities"...where a sense of grievance and a framework of conspiracy theories to support it can make a miserable person feel special because they "get it" or something. They know the dark secret truth! Any evidence to the contrary is just more proof...of the PLOT! These groups are the Q-anon of the dating/romance world. A common thing being this notion that they alone are autonomous actors and "free thinkers" in a world full of human robots who are all programmed to be against them or something.
There's a Venn diagram. I'm just sayin'.
And I'm sure that these groups alike have their roots in 4chan and 8chan, Reddit, and then whatever platforms came along to give them unmoderated spaces to be nasty in after they wore out their welcome in their old haunts. Places where they can be as obnoxious as they please so long as they claim to be doing it for laffs. What's sad is that they just keep digging themselves deeper, further and further from any possibility of getting dates or being loved. But I suppose maybe it's more comfortable to be very committed to failure than to hope and try and not succeed.
Given the sentiment about women expressed by many men in this thread, I can’t say I would disagree with any woman who just gave up on men in general. They hate you if you do, they hate if you don’t, so why even bother.
And the circle is complete. Obviously you’re being very selective about which posts you are choosing to read.
There are quite a few posts that have very honestly described the problem. And it’s hardly a one sided issue. Women have at least as much responsibility for relationship difficulties, and in many cases, far more.
How many posts here have declared how men are not needed and so unnecessary? You do realize that just verbalizes the underlying attitude many (not all) women demonstrate toward most of the men they encounter, don’t you? So, how do you expect men to respond to that? What would you do if the only two possibilities is to be rejected unceremoniously, or, granted the privilege of offering more flowers, more gifts and more free dinners and free drinks, with the only real guarantee that you will be replaced the moment a better deal comes along?
It’s almost a universal consensus that women expect the men to make the first move … it’s been stated in this thread. However, based on the scientific study I referred to a few posts ago, there is at least an 80% chance they’ll be rejected. And those are not encouraging numbers. It can be quite humiliating in the way some women respond to men who have mustered the courage to approach them. Some women are very kind and thoughtful in how they deal with that, but others can be quite cruel and cold blooded. The guy never knows which woman is which.
Let me ask you this … would you get on an airplane if the pilot told you there was a 20% chance of landing safely? Would you buy a car if the salesman told you you had a 20% chance of making it home without it breaking down along the side of the road? Or, how about speaking to an audience, with only a 20% chance of not being booed? You’d probably say no thanks to all three.
As for me, I’m just old, and over it all. Seen too much, been there, done that, and someone else has all of the tee shirts, along with the furniture LOL. I just hope my little insights might help shed a little light on where the real problems are, for the benefit of others, including women, because it’s really a sad state of affairs going on here.
Now, if I were a 20’s, 30’s or 40 something in this day and age, I’d be extremely depressed. As it is, I made the decision after the my last episodic catastrophe, to just be happy with life, whether there is someone there to share it or not. I’m good, either way. I have ruled out nothing, but if there is a next time, it will most certainly include a thorough background check. And the moment I hear the words … “after my third marriage ended …. “ there will be nothing but a dust cloud as I make my escape.
I am still trying to figure out why this thread is in the POC area and not the relationships area.
I can make it political if you want. Just to make sure the train wreck keeps going.
I've never met an incel but in my mind's eye he's a democrat. Standing behind that. Weak, pasty, never leaves the basement, highly skilled at porn and video games, underachieving and wants and needs free $h!t. All the factors that make a hapless young male democrat voter.
Is that inflammatory enough bait to draw a vicious assault by the board's leftists and add legitimacy and longevity to "the train wreck"?
I can make it political if you want. Just to make sure the train wreck keeps going.
I've never met an incel but in my mind's eye he's a democrat. Standing behind that. Weak, pasty, never leaves the basement, highly skilled at porn and video games, underachieving and wants and needs free $h!t. All the factors that make a hapless young male democrat voter.
Is that inflammatory enough bait to draw a vicious assault by the board's leftists and add legitimacy and longevity to "the train wreck"?
I'm trying.
They probably fall on either (extreme) end of the political spectrums. The handful that I know personally, who are not so much incel as they are maybe red pillers or MGTOW?, are typically high school educated, capable but not particularly bright, mediocre/milquetoast personalities with not a lot of passion towards anything, and lean hard right. I would say there is a lot of overlap with the MAGA crowd.
FWIW, all my moderately liberal friends (w/ exception of 1) are highly educated, ambitious, very successful in their career paths, and have robust social lives in and out of work. The 1 exception is all of the above, but has a culinary education and not a formal college education, per se. I don't know a single liberal incel, redpiller, or MGTOW, but that's not to say they don't exist.
They probably fall on either (extreme) end of the political spectrums. The handful that I know personally, who are not so much incel as they are maybe red pillers or MGTOW?, are typically high school educated, capable but not particularly bright, mediocre/milquetoast personalities with not a lot of passion towards anything, and lean hard right. I would say there is a lot of overlap with the MAGA crowd.
FWIW, all my moderately liberal friends (w/ exception of 1) are highly educated, ambitious, very successful in their career paths, and have robust social lives in and out of work. The 1 exception is all of the above, but has a culinary education and not a formal college education, per se. I don't know a single liberal incel, redpiller, or MGTOW, but that's not to say they don't exist.
I don't even know what a "red piller" or MGTOW is and I don't think I want to know. I'm dead certain I'm not going to look it up on my work laptop, that's for sure. This thread is fascinating but also makes me feel grubby. I believe such additional underbelly knowledge would make me feel even grubbier.
I can't debate your incel demographic but I'm arbitrarily standing behind my own profile of the beast. As I like to say sometimes, it might not be factually true but it feels true to me and that's what matters.
Tangent - The majority of liberals I know are all young college educated servers in restaurants. I don't know that they're all that bright. College doesn't mean much these days. They certainly are very convinced that they're bright. Tediously so.
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