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Generally I don't hold other men responsible for stuff that has happened to me. I'm responding directly to men who are saying stuff I have a problem with. I chat with strangers and what not, I don't assume they are a creeper or anything.
Yes, violence against men is taken less seriously, and it shouldn't be. No one should be subject to violence.
I know some women are mean, and they will call a man a creeper for saying "hi." No different then some stranger commenting on my sister's weight out of the blue.
I think what bugs me is guys are starting to experience some of the things we have for 100s of years, and losing your mind over it. And we're like "welcome to our world."
Has the pendulum swung too far? Probably. But it always does that with change and settles into the middle.
But as to the OP's men are doomed to perpetual loneliness / sexlessness..... that IS a minority. For the majority, dating, marriages, divorces are all happening on a regular basis. Tons are dating. There is no major trend to men and women not getting together in a myriad of forms.
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Homely men too ugly to get a date wouldn't want to reject a female sex robot, though they would likely demand a warm one so it won't seem too much like being with a corpse.
There already are several mechanical masturbation toys, it depends on what you consider a robot.
Men should learn how to be happy on their own, women should learn to be happy on their own (and have all the rights to work and all that happy horse poopy), and then, if they want they should find someone to happy with as a couple.
Or not, if they don't want to. Men's sex drive should not be our concern or responsibility, you manage you. Obviously, if you are a couple you should be concerned about your partner's happiness.
The biggest watcher of Lesbian TikTok is straight women..... you men can go your own way, the women? They might just decide men are too much work.
I agree with the basic premise of your position … happiness and satisfaction with life is absolutely a personal responsibility for each individual, and women are not the least bit culpable for guys that are alone and lonely. Everyone has their own natural inclinations as to who they find attractive as potential mates, and nobody owes anyone charity companionship and affection, in either direction.
The point is, we seem to have a glaring lack of empathy regarding those guys situations, from the dismissive “get over it” attitude, to an even worse response of stop your whining, to quit being a baby, etc. This is just more evidence that the heterosexual male is of no importance or consequence today, but if one should suffer a gender confusion issue, an army of helpful compassionate souls will rush to the rescue, and you know that’s true.
It’s just a measure of society’s lack of compassion and kindness, IMHO, and that has consequences also.
yes I'm gay and it was when I came out and accepted my sexuality and pursuing men that made me realize how much of a man's life is consumed and controlled by women.
See what I mean? You get to complain about people saying things to you. And people take you seriously.
that's perfectly acceptable to do to men. If you try and file a complaint you get mocked. Yes by women.
Yes. I've even had violence enacted upon me and I had to take it. That's what you have to do when you are a man.
I'm not suggesting you have difficulty with men. I'm not suggesting you have any issue at all with men.
I'm talking about how all men must pay for the creepy things that scare you online. And you never know what you say that will freak out a woman. I've run into this several times even being a gay man.
My issue is holding men accountable for things others do. Or for whatever feelings it may illicit in people around.
I'm not saying this as an accusingly it's just what I've learned when I let go of being hetero.
I was talking to a guy on here that thought he was bad because he looked at porno.
In reference to your point about all men paying for transgressions made my a few. I think it's worth pointing out, I'm a guy for clarity, that women and girls must to plan around physical safety to degrees men generally don't because - to use the game theory term - women must live under near constant threat of a minimax outcome otherwise........death, rape, vicious assault etc.
Every woman knows just about any able bodied man could kill her with his bare hands barring some kind of escape or third party intervention.
Generally I don't hold other men responsible for stuff that has happened to me.
That's good, but it doesn't really matter
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I'm responding directly to men who are saying stuff I have a problem with. I chat with strangers and what not, I don't assume they are a creeper or anything.
But you can, and likely could get people removed or banned from social networks or even careers.
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Yes, violence against men is taken less seriously, and it shouldn't be. No one should be subject to violence.
This seems to be a bit of a platitude. Who do you think is more responsible for domestic violence?
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I know some women are mean, and they will call a man a creeper for saying "hi." No different then some stranger commenting on my sister's weight out of the blue.
It's not that it's just a mean comment, it's that it can be used to get the guy fired or even have his children taken away from him.
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I think what bugs me is guys are starting to experience some of the things we have for 100s of years, and losing your mind over it. And we're like "welcome to our world."
This is the kind of thing that makes you come off as tribe def. I'm not talking about anything women have experienced.
Women don't get run off from jobs because they are called perverts. Women doing poorly in education isn't a men's problem.
This is something women have never experienced
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Has the pendulum swung too far? Probably. But it always does that with change and settles into the middle.
Pendulum? That implies a backswing
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But as to the OP's men are doomed to perpetual loneliness / sexlessness..... that IS a minority.
Look at the way his statements are being analyzed. People have told him that he's a loser, suggested there is something wrong with him. That he's broken.
Why is that evil to do to homosexuals but not heterosexuals?
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For the majority, dating, marriages, divorces are all happening on a regular basis. Tons are dating. There is no major trend to men and women not getting together in a myriad of forms.
I've come across far more men in their thirties who have never been kissed by a woman (and I'm not talking about gay men) than women. Maybe women just lie about it.
I have never been to Vegas and I so hope I don’t die of old age before taking that off my bucket list. Not for the prostitutes mind you, but for the overall experience. But I have heard they are outstanding.
There was an interview I watched recently, of a gal working around Nevada, and she was a 20 year veteran, and had her PhD in prostitution, early 40’s still going strong, and she not only looked amazing, but had the most intriguing personality … you could tell she loved what she did for a living, and that she did it well. She had a slight French accent that was legitimately French, sophisticated and educated and quite a conversationalist. Spent some time at the famous Bunny Ranch, among other places.
She spoke of a few regular clients who she developed close relations with, and looked forward to seeing them. Went into the inner workings of the houses, and the rules, and the dynamics between the girls working there … it was fascinating. She put a human element to it that few recognize exists.
The one thing I came away with is that she could cause a man to go broke. LOL.
Or she is a good actress and business woman who knew that if she did an interview calling her clients creepy, or disgusting that she would lose money.
In reference to your point about all men paying for transgressions made my a few. I think it's worth pointing out, I'm a guy for clarity, that women and girls must to plan around physical safety to degrees men generally don't because - to use the game theory term - women must live under near constant threat of a minimax outcome otherwise........death, rape, vicious assault etc.
I'm a man, I've been interacting sexually with men for the better part of two decades and I've never had any of these problems does it really a man issue?
And the minimax outcome is something everyone has to deal with to pretend that it only affects women is to ignore 60% of violence.
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Every woman knows just about any able bodied man could kill her with his bare hands barring some kind of escape or third party intervention.
That's not specific to women. Any man woman or child with a functioning hand can kill a full grown adult man.
This is what I'm talking about. You ignore any threat to men even if it's similar or the same because men don't matter.
I think porno does more damage than you think it does and the ramifications for sexless men in America are evident
This is the exact thing I'm talking about.
Male sexuality is damaging society.
It is not evident by the existence of sexless men. Sexless men have been part of society since Mesopotamia. The only reason porn exist s is to fill a void devoid didn't come from nowhere.
In fact almost every sexually dimorphic species on the planet most males do not reproduce.
Why do you think prostitution is the world's oldest profession?
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It causes marriages to be destroyed and I know as an addict/Alcoholic myself that there are men in various forms of treatment for their relationship with porn.
If you're married and sexual needs are being satisfied within your marriage and you ruin your marriage because of pornography there is something other than pornography wrong with you.
If you're using pornography within your marriage to satisfy sexual needs that your partner cannot or refuses to then that's chastising men for their sexual drive.
I would say a woman that would leave you for that is a better solution than staying with her.
It is not evident by the existence of sexless men. Sexless men have been part of society since Mesopotamia. The only reason porn exist s is to fill a void devoid didn't come from nowhere.
In fact almost every sexually dimorphic species on the planet most males do not reproduce.
Why do you think prostitution is the world's oldest profession?
If you're married and sexual needs are being satisfied within your marriage and you ruin your marriage because of pornography there is something other than pornography wrong with you.
If you're using pornography within your marriage to satisfy sexual needs that your partner cannot or refuses to then that's chastising men for their sexual drive.
I would say a woman that would leave you for that is a better solution than staying with her.
I hear this "most males don't reproduce in most species" a lot, sometimes it is used almost as an excuse or justification for mass male loneliness and sexlessness. I don't know how true that is, but fine, let's say it is true. Do you really think any long-term stable social order is possible if most of the males are not able to find sex, intimacy, or affection? I'll answer for you- of course it is not.
Yes, some males will always be left by the wayside, but in a fair and just system, merely being average and adhering to the general societal rules and laws should just about guarantee that you do not end up lonely and sexless.
I agree with the basic premise of your position … happiness and satisfaction with life is absolutely a personal responsibility for each individual, and women are not the least bit culpable for guys that are alone and lonely. Everyone has their own natural inclinations as to who they find attractive as potential mates, and nobody owes anyone charity companionship and affection, in either direction.
The point is, we seem to have a glaring lack of empathy regarding those guys situations, from the dismissive “get over it” attitude, to an even worse response of stop your whining, to quit being a baby, etc. This is just more evidence that the heterosexual male is of no importance or consequence today, but if one should suffer a gender confusion issue, an army of helpful compassionate souls will rush to the rescue, and you know that’s true.
It’s just a measure of society’s lack of compassion and kindness, IMHO, and that has consequences also.
Well, let's look at the complaint, because there are multiple ways to complain about the same thing, to paraphrase:
"Women and this whole women's lib thing has made them impossible to have a relationship with, they expect too much, and offer nothing."
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"I have trouble attracting a partner, and this bothers me. I don't seem to be able to offer the women whom I want, what they want."
I think the difference is obvious. And yes, I could go back and clip many statements like what I paraphrased, I'm just not going to take the time.
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