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Old 05-19-2022, 10:46 PM
 
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The 14th Amendment does not mention race as the qualifier for equal protection under the law. I really don't care what Shallabarger said, as it is in direct conflict with the ratified language of the amendment. If equal protection was meant to be applied only to race, then the amendment would have had that specifically stated.
I don’t know why he keeps bringing up The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 either. It does not support what he is saying elsewhere.
On April 20, 1871, President Ulysses S. Grant, shown with Secretary of the Navy George M. Robeson and presidential advisor General Horace Porter in this Frank Leslie’s Illustrated print, signed the Ku Klux Klan Act, which enforced the Fourteenth Amendment by guaranteeing all citizens of the United States the rights afforded by the Constitution and providing legal protection under the law.
https://history.house.gov/Historical...04_20_KKK_Act/

It was the third of a series of Enforcement Acts, & again was the result of heated debate in the House & the Senate.

The Gone With the Wind politically correct history had the KKK as the heroes.

 
Old 05-19-2022, 11:04 PM
 
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I just don't understand the logic behind ending roe v wade. You can make it illegal again but laws will never stop abortion. The law was just about making if safer.
 
Old 05-19-2022, 11:26 PM
 
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Keep in mind the historical realities …
Vigilante groups like the Ku Klux Klan, however, freely threatened African Americans and their white allies in the South and undermined the Republican Party’s plan for Reconstruction. The bill authorized the President to intervene in the former rebel states that attempted to deny “any person or any class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges or immunities under the laws.” To take action against this newly defined federal crime, the President could suspend habeas corpus, deploy the U.S. military, or use “other means, as he may deem necessary.”

Opponents denounced the bill as an unconstitutional attack on state governments and individual liberty.
 
Old 05-19-2022, 11:43 PM
 
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So, the landmark Craig v. Boren decision in 1975 was wrongly decided in your opinion? The then liberal lawyer Ruth Bader Ginsberg argued against the state and won 7 to 2. But did the case NOT really violate the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause? If so, then any state if it wants to can state that females can start legally buying beer at age 18, but males have to wait until age 21. Or maybe these days make it 21 for females and 24 for males. But I don't see how it was ever just to age discriminate under the Constitution between the sexes for buying any kind of alcohol.
Analogous here & good call

The legal question in Craig v. Boren was

Did an Oklahoma statute violate the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause by establishing different drinking ages for men and women?

Long story short version of their conclusion was

Yup.

Slightly longer story short was

In striking down the Oklahoma law, the Court established a new standard for review in gender discrimination cases. More demanding than the lowest standard for review -- rational basis -- but less demanding than the highest standard -- strict scrutiny, the majority articulated an in-between standard -- intermediate scrutiny.

“Craig v. Boren." Oyez, www.oyez.org/cases/1976/75-628. Accessed 20 May. 2022.
 
Old 05-20-2022, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The reality of over turning will be the death of women who still get abortions. As before the original case, options which will not be safe will be used by those who are desperate.

The GOP has decided to allow a safe medical procedure to become illegal. Taking a right to chose over what happens to over 50% of the population.
 
Old 05-20-2022, 05:28 AM
 
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I just don't understand the logic behind ending roe v wade. You can make it illegal again but laws will never stop abortion. The law was just about making if safer.
The logic is very clear. The left proclaimed "it's not your body, nor your choice" for 2 years during a pandemic regarding vaccines and mask mandates.

The precedent has been set. The government owns everyone's body, and they will dictate what happens to it. The government knows what's best.

There is no danger of roe v wade ending if the left doesn't jam down mask/vaccines mandates for 2 years.
 
Old 05-20-2022, 06:11 AM
 
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The reality of over turning will be the death of women who still get abortions. As before the original case, options which will not be safe will be used by those who are desperate.

The GOP has decided to allow a safe medical procedure to become illegal. Taking a right to chose over what happens to over 50% of the population.
How about women starting to use birth control and insisting that her partner does also? That has a 99.9% success rate. If a woman is afraid of getting pregnant anyway then she should abstain from sex. If she does get pregnant and takes the risk of obtaining an illegal abortion then it's on her and her alone.

Her right to choose was before engaging in sex. Some states will still allow abortions anyway. Much ado about nothing.
 
Old 05-20-2022, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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How about women starting to use birth control and insisting that her partner does also? That has a 99.9% success rate. If a woman is afraid of getting pregnant anyway then she should abstain from sex. If she does get pregnant and takes the risk of obtaining an illegal abortion then it's on her and her alone.

Her right to choose was before engaging in sex.
As you know it takes 2. Your putting the entire problem on the women. Yet you get rid of a safe method to solve her problem. Clinics for PLANNED parent hood also offer other forms of birth control yet states want them closed. Your will never end sex. Foolish to even state.

Her right to choose should not be dictated by Govt, state or local. It's her body.

GOP will be going after birth control next, just wait.
 
Old 05-20-2022, 06:53 AM
 
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The reality of over turning will be the death of women who still get abortions. As before the original case, options which will not be safe will be used by those who are desperate.

The GOP has decided to allow a safe medical procedure to become illegal. Taking a right to chose over what happens to over 50% of the population.
'the GOP' had nothing to do with the decision of supreme court justices to overturn rvw. the justices did.

'safe medical procedures'? dead babies might disagree with your characterization.
 
Old 05-20-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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How about women starting to use birth control and insisting that her partner does also? That has a 99.9% success rate. If a woman is afraid of getting pregnant anyway then she should abstain from sex. If she does get pregnant and takes the risk of obtaining an illegal abortion then it's on her and her alone.

Her right to choose was before engaging in sex. Some states will still allow abortions anyway. Much ado about nothing.
In real life, birth control is about 90% effective. Not 99%. That's ignoring the fact that it is no one's business but the woman what medical care she decides is appropriate.
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