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Old 05-04-2022, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-abortion-leak

FROM THE ABOVE, my italics:

"Democrats spy a silver lining in the loss of federally guaranteed abortion rights, predicting that a Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade could galvanize voter support for their party and prevent a looming midterm elections disaster.

"Bracing for a fall rebuke over rising inflation and dissatisfaction with President Joe Biden, Democratic strategists say a Supreme Court ruling that shifts abortion rights to the discretion of the states would alter the 2022 debate and energize a dispirited liberal base."
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Yep. That is what I predicted yesterday and what I fear more than almost anything else, politically speaking. Snatching defeat from the jaws of almost certain victory, that would possibly result in six more years of liberal insanity.

 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:38 AM
 
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And the next generation will undo all the moronic things that the Millennials and Gen Z have tried to put into place. Best part for me is I'll be watching and laughing through it all while I enjoy my retirement in about 10 years.
Will you still laugh if they undo your Social Security Retirement Income, such as lower the amount you get each month. Especially if you haven't retired yet.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:38 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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I don't why you are fighting this. Clearly the GOP from the time GWB got elected has had a strategy of pushing towards overturning R v W. Now for obvious political reasons you are pinning this eventuality one state health worker from Mississippi who you claim did it totally on their own. As it stands look at how many states have trigger laws or like what Texas has on the books. If not Mississippi it would have been Texas. If not Texas then the Oklahoma law.

I get why you are doing this. They left is livid and outraged. And now the mid terms which looked like a slam dunk for the GOP are probably up for grabs. I hope this was worth it to you all.

You got what the GOP has wanted for more than 20 years. Own it. Don't hide from it.

I am fine with states deciding abortion. At 58 its not an issue that effects me personally. And I concern myself with issues that have a direct effect on my life.


My only concern here is the left retaliating and limiting things that I do care about. Like gun rights. Or Biden packing the court.
Lots of liberals own guns. Even Bernie, as radical as people claim he is, had proposed the same laws Minnesota already had but stopping the person to person sales. That could have meant that a person was able to access records when they sold a gun and would be responsible for doing so. My husband has never sold one of his guns without doing the paperwork but he's seen deals go down in a parking lot of a gun show where that wasn't the case.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:39 AM
 
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I disagree that a lot of people who support abortion do not grasp or acknowledge what it is. If they did we wouldn’t hear people say things like, “it’s just a clump of cells”, “it’s a parasite”, “it’s not a human life form”, “abortion only impacts the woman who has one”.
Different views for different people. Different values, different definitions. It is a clump of cells early in a pregnancy. It is also the beginning of a stage of pregnancy. Some do consider the relationship between mother and fetus parasitic. Not a life form? I wouldn’t agree with that, there’s a lot of opinions people can’t agree on. Opinions vary, depending on your beliefs. Again having different beliefs doesn’t make one pro abortion that supports only one choice. Pro choice supports all three choices. I’m very supportive of women who take their pregnancy to term.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:39 AM
 
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More welfare recipients is a societal gain?

Ruining the lives of the would-be mothers is a societal gain?

Not following your twisted logic at all.

I don’t know that having a baby is akin to ruining a women’s life. It may not be a part of the plan but the idea that it will ruin their life is extreme.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:39 AM
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Not sure why you said "admit" rather than "realize"? Or "predict"?

But yes, I agree, this is not the Right's finest hour, as far as realizing what the country actually wants, which is early term abortions on demand.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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I think we'll all know very soon how politicized the SCOTUS is at this juncture. Once the republicans realize that this may cost them mid-term elections and the ability to swing the house in their favor one of the newer SC judges will change their mind amazingly. At first I thought this was leaked by a democrat, but the more I think about it I could see the repubs leaking it to test the waters.

If when it was leaked it causes some uproar, but dies down quickly with everything else going on in this world then they leave it as is and the final ruling comes out. If it causes an uproar and re-energizes the democratic base and they can see polls shifting then it's, "hey this was just a draft and debates were still going on, which is why the final ruling now upholds RvW."

I'll be up front in that I am a democrat living in a Red state. I planned on voting for the current R governor for re-election as I feel he has done a good job with the state and the D candidate is a little too far left for me. If this draft becomes a final ruling then I would actually move my vote to the D candidate over this one issue. I don't want to, but I can't in good conscience vote for someone that I know will pass restrictive laws against women's rights.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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What a weak move on the SCOTUS! LOL


Basically they refused to make a decision at the federal level. Leaving it up to the states is just keeping the abortion war raging for years to come. SCOTUS should have made a decision either way, and this would have ended the whole thing for good, because we would have a federal level solution.


I think the states should all send it right back to SCOTUS and demand they rule on it, (not avoid offending anyone).


Now, we are going to have people in all states, fighting with each other over this, its just like the Marijuana issue, the Federal govt refuses to make changes. so just like abortion, it rages on too.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Interesting. I think the jury is in on abortion. It's wrong in many dimensions except in cases of violence or a crime or risk to the mother. I don't believe it's an issue that would overtake the economic disaster that Biden has spawned with his demented politic.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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What a weak move on the SCOTUS! LOL


Basically they refused to make a decision at the federal level. Leaving it up to the states is just keeping the abortion war raging for years to come. SCOTUS should have made a decision either way, and this would have ended the whole thing for good, because we would have a federal level solution.


I think the states should all send it right back to SCOTUS and demand they rule on it, (not avoid offending anyone).
Have you read the draft?
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