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Old 05-04-2022, 07:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Atsushi View Post
This came in my twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/NickLucid/status...wuv6BC3Btiqc7Q

He has a science youtube channel, which I enjoy watching. I thought he made a good point in this tweet.

For those of you who can't read the tweet, this is what it says:
Yeah that is stupid. An 8 month fetus is still just a part of its mother's body. The abortion debate, on both sides, is insane.

 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:37 PM
 
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It wouldn't matter if fetuses were considered persons. Other people can not demand to use your body to keep their own alive without your consent, and consent can be removed at any time. No one can force you to donate organs to keep another person from dying. No one can even force you to give blood to keep another person alive. Even corpses have bodily autonomy over if their organs are donated or not. One corpse can keep a dozen people from dying with organ donations and you have the right to deny the use of your body.

If a fetus is not a person then it has no right to use someone elses body either. Personhood doesn't equal the right to use other persons bodies as you so choose.
What a horrible thing to say. And I am pro-choice. But saying an unborn baby is using someone's body is so unspeakably awful. Extremists on any issue are always crazy.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:39 PM
 
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Everyone's beliefs should be valid, for themselves, not to impose on others.
Abortion laws impose on all reproductive age women. Obviously, there needs to be a reasonable compromise. The extremists will never agree.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:42 PM
 
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The unborn child was created by a deliberate act by the woman (except in the case of rape).
No, it was not. Most women use birth control most of the time when they have sex. If the birth control fails, that was obviously not a deliberate act.

You can't expect women to have sex only when trying to get pregnant. No husband would tolerate that kind of wife. Without abortion rights, married women would have to live in fear of pregnancy, like they used to.

We need EARLY abortions to be available, especially abortion pills. And late abortions should only be for serious health reasons.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:43 PM
 
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Why can't a fetus claim squatter's rights? Unless she was raped the mother let the little human in to her body.

I am pro-abortion but these attempts to try to paint it as a moral virtue are gross. At best it's a necessary evil.
That is right. The right to EARLY abortion is NECESSARY, AND it is EVIL.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:46 PM
 
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I can evict a squatter from my property. I can shoot and kill someone who enters my house without my permission.

It has nothing to do with moral virtue, and everything to do with bodily autonomy.
So you can suddenly decide to chop the head off a fetus 2 days before it's ready to be born?
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:51 PM
 
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What a horrible thing to say. And I am pro-choice. But saying an unborn baby is using someone's body is so unspeakably awful. Extremists on any issue are always crazy.
Saying that an unborn fetus is using someone elses body is a statement of fact. How do you think the fetus gets nourishment, and oxygen to the body?

I can't help it if you find facts awful.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:52 PM
 
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So you can suddenly decide to chop the head off a fetus 2 days before it's ready to be born?
Nobody has said anything like that. How do you even think of these ideas?

Most people are looking at early abortions. Some people want the time limit to be so short that the woman doesn't even know she is pregnant yet.
 
Old 05-04-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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So you can suddenly decide to chop the head off a fetus 2 days before it's ready to be born?
Exactly how many abortions are preformed 2 days before birth?
 
Old 05-04-2022, 08:01 PM
 
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Where is it written that a fetus doesn't have that right? I mean, besides here and written by you.
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