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Yeah, that's Putin allright; the corruption cleaner-upper.
NOW the agenda comes out! "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before!" as the hymn goes.
The only problem in that scenario is, that the Ukrainians are also Orthodox Christians. Except for their Jewish President. Is that your drift; this is a Christian crusade against Zelensky and pro-"Christian social values" at home in Russia and abroad? Yeah, we get it.
Yes, Ukraine ORIGINALLY belongs to the same Orthodox church as Russia, since they were one and the same country when they underwent Christianization.
And so since 2014, after the American-backed coup d'etat in Kiev, one of the priorities of the new government was to break Ukrainian Orthodox church away from the Russian church.
American politicians were actively involved into this process - I wrote about it before as well.
Once Ukrainian Orthodox church is destroyed from within, and other foreign churches are making inroads into Ukraine, the traditional Ukrainian culture is going to collapse as well.
The increasing pressure of the "LGBT rights," "women's rights" and so on that are currently pushed onto Ukraine are a clear indication of that.
What it ultimately leads to though, is that more and more of their women are forced into prostitution, while their men are forced to recognize the "gay battalion" ( the "Unicorn") within the ranks of their army.
the only thing that matters at this point is who has the strongest military..no hand wringing about who's right and who's wrong is gonna stop this train until the ride is over.. negotiations won't happen until Russia is kicked out of Crimea and the Donbas..
A lot of American right-leaning patriots bought this Putin's propaganda I noticed, they are enchanted by it, however it can't be further away from truth.
In reality, Putin purged only few oligarchs, the ones who refused to comply with him, and who thought that Russia should pass the control of its natural resources to the West and overall to submit under it.
So far, so good. And I would expect nothing less from any legitimate leader of a sovereign nation, other than consider such a thing to be an act of treason, and expel those who would sell out their own country to foreign enemy interests? That’s what you do with traitors, unless you happen to be in the New United States of Amerika, where they are welcomed into the Democrat party with open arms and receive campaign donations from George Soros and the DNC.
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Putin had somewhat different plans in mind and he didn't touch any of the oligarchs that agreed to cooperate with him, so the oligarchic corrupt model that was established in Russia back in the 90ies remained mostly untouched, but slightly modified and legalized.
Funny how the wealthy elite if Russians, are “oligarchs”, but here in the west, they are simply referred to as CEO’s and Philanthropists. Interesting, huh?
The issue I really have with what you saying here is what you aren’t saying. You toss about the term “Oligarch” which implies a negative connotation, but you really haven’t stipulated anything concretely negative about their actions. So far, it’s been positive from my point of view … the “Oligarchs” Putin kicked out were sell outs and traitors to their own Country, and the loyalists were embraced. What is wrong with that? Should Putin be More Stalin-like and more communist like and kill them all and seize their assets? I don’t understand what objection you have with Putin taking the Capitalist approach to working with the financial power brokers loyal to Russia’s interests as a nation?
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Not even close - Russia remained authoritarian empire, ( now based on the power of money, instead of the power of ideology,) void of freedom of speech - the kind you have in the multi-party system, as America is (although I can see that this feature is evaporating and fast in US.)
I don’t know WTF you are talking about here, when we witnessed the President of the United States censored and banned across all of social media just a few years ago. What a joke to believe this absurd tingly talking point about Freedom of speech, when that’s really what couldn’t be further from the truth.
And this bit about multi-party system? Hah! Our system has devolved to banana republic status, where the White House is now the movie set for the sequel to a Weekend at Bernie’s Place II, as a fraudulent election installed a dementia patient with a now revealed long history of selling influence to foreign powers, and is being protected by the Justice System that appears to be the wholly owned subsidiary of George Soros, LLC, USA division, which apparently extends to even local District Attorney’s who proceed to file fraudulent criminal charges against the former US President that was overthrown by fraud.
The level of corruption we’re drowning in here in the US knows no equal in all of recorded history, and makes Putin’s regime look like the Boy Scouts of America by comparison.
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Here I have to agree with you.
Yes there IS a twist to this story, but it takes its roots ( yet again) back in the 90ies, when former Socialist Russia was pushed down the slope of the "ultra-right" oligarchic model ( not without the help of American neocons,) while America started eyeing the switch to the "left" ideas. I wrote about it before many times.
See, after the Western rulers saw how corrupt Russian "new elite" was ( back in the 90ies,) ready to sold its country and people for a good price ( and this includes Putin personally,) they were not taking any of them as "equal" any longer - they knew that it was all a question of whether "the price is right."
Dude, that’s what Putin opposed, and he and his political loyalists who were loyal to Russia, rid the country of those who were ready to hand over the country to the globalists. I have no doubt that there was, and probably still is a good measure of authoritarianism involved. And I suspect it’s a necessary measure, given the powerful forces hell bent on Russia’s demise, which aren’t too bashful these days in announcing their desires for “regime change” in Russia, and their willingness to take any steps necessary toward that goal, including risking World War III, as they are doing now.
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You listen to Putin too much, but as the Bible says - by their actions you will know them. Not by their words.
Nope. I don’t just listen, I also watch. Do you? Doesn’t sound like you do. But I watched as Putin has engaged the west honestly, as he watched one promise after another made to Russia, broken. I’ve watched Russia exercise immense patience, as NATO continued to expand all around Russia, contrary to the promises made to Russia when they agreed to dissolve the Warsaw Pact.
When it comes to Ukraine, Russia has always maintained that their National Security interests cannot allow Ukraine to become a NATO member, because that will never be acceptable to Russia, which is a logical and reasonable position, just as we would find it unacceptable for Canada or Mexico to join a military alliance which was overtly hostile to the US. We would take the exact same stance. Nevertheless, Russia’s position on the matter was ignored by the US/NATO, and the Russians watched as the US literally orchestrated the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, and installed our hand selected western puppet regime to replace it, 8 years ago. Had the rolls been reversed, the United States would have immediately responded militarily, not wait 8 years.
And for 8 years, Russia watched as the anti-Russian regime engaged in ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. After years of attacking civilians, Ukraine finally agreed to talks, and sat down with Russia and reached an agreement known as the Minsk Accords, which Ukraine subsequently refused to abide by. Later, it was admitted by the German Chancellor that it was all just a western ploy to buy time for Ukraine to strengthen its military. So, I’ve watched closely, and the only player that has been honest has been Putin and the Russians. Their partners in the west have lied repeatedly.
And even the events leading up to and just prior to the Russian’s military operations in Ukraine, Putin tried one last time to avert a military solution. His deal was simple. Ukraine needed to honor the Minsk agreements as they promised … and stop attacking civilians in the Donbas, and pledge neutrality, and abandon NATO membership. In return, Russia would promise no military action against Ukraine, and restore diplomatic and economic cooperation between Ukraine and Russia. Putin was given the middle finger.
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"Progressive left ideology" the kind you see currently in America now, has nothing to do with Russia, since Russia has completely different cultural/historic background, as much as the ethnic composition.
Progressive Left Ideology had nothing to do with American values or our 230 year history either, yet here we are, sitting in a sea of ****e piling up in the streets, and painted up pedophiles reading stories to toddlers.
20 years ago, people would have laughed at you had you predicted the crap we see happening now in America. So, it doesn’t take long to poison the minds of massive numbers of people. It just takes a few years.
Furthermore, as we have all witnessed, it doesn’t take much time to destroy a nation either. Look what has happened over the past 3 years.
As for the rest, I’m just too mentally exhausted to go any further. Believe whatever the Hell want to believe. It ain’t going to change reality.
And just to point out how bad and dishonest the news is, just take a look at this NewsMax report of the drone attack against Moscow.
Notice anything strange? Like the big “Tow Away Zone” sign there in Moscow? I didn’t realize that the Moscow used English language signage. How … English of them.
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ZAPORIZHIA DIRECTION. THE SITUATION IS UNPLEASANT.
Our positions are under heavy artillery fire. I know a lot of bad details, but I won't reveal them.
The trend: they hit us - we don’t respond, and there are very bad reasons for this, there are several of them and all of them do not depend on the warring battalions, regiments, divisions. Hundreds of shells are flying at us, zero in response. What kind of war is this?
Counter-battery combat, as the main, constantly used method of countering enemy artillery, is absent in our NMD. It doesn't exist, no matter what anyone says.
This is nothing new to the enemy, nor to any of us, so don't stick your own head in the sand. We waste people because of our own shortcomings. Yes, I agree, we are causing serious damage to the enemy with our missile strikes on the rear. But the front line also needs to be protected, our people are standing there.
From the Book for Young Commanders:
“Counter-battery firing is considered successful if the enemy fire weapons and their crews are suppressed or destroyed. Suppression implies the further inability of the enemy's firepower to continue firing.
Adult big commanders probably read other books. And they don’t say that in reality the Ukrainian artillery beats the Russian one, and even a year ago, who would have thought that this would be possible…
LMAO. NO ONE in open sphere knows Putin's plans. Man is ex-KGB and speaks ONLY what he finds necessary to say. But that is irrelevant as, for some reason, folks generally assume that Putin, Biden, Macron, Scholz, Erdogan or else, really control events and have some plans they are working on. In its history, Russia had only three people that really had personal power: Ivan the IV, Peter the Great and Joseph Jugashvili. Trotski could have been the 3rd, but Stalin cought him on time and bootied. The rest are just figureheads and place holders. Real power is never showing itself.
Originally Posted by erasure Putin had somewhat different plans in mind and he didn't touch any of the oligarchs that agreed to cooperate with him, so the oligarchic corrupt model that was established in Russia back in the 90ies remained mostly untouched, but slightly modified and legalized.
Actually I disagree with a lot of that. There was a significant purge in Russia with regard to corrupt oligarchs, orchestrated by Putin and his political allies, along with cleaning up the corruption within the corporate structures. This facilitated Russia’s ability to slowly pull itself out of the extreme economic hardship it was suffering for 20+ years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Oddly enough in a stunning role reversal, Russia has totally transformed itself from the former Communist Authoritarian Empire it was, into a Republic embracing orthodox Christianity, with traditional Christian social values, reminiscent of the former United States of America, which has now been transformed into a Godless empire, hell bent on imposing its hegemony over the entire planet, by military force, financial extortion, and corruption. This is the most bizarre twist of fait, which would seem to be more at home in an episode of the Twilight Zone, but is now just bizarre reality.
After having listened to several of Putin’s speeches and addresses, he makes it very clear that his vision for Russia is to participate as a partner in the global economic structure with the West, but cannot allow the progressive left ideology to infiltrate Russia, and destroy the traditional Christian values of the Russian people like has happened in America and much of the Western Democracies.
This of course makes Putin the enemy in the eyes of the Godless leftists here in America, much like they consider American conservatives, or anyone else that opposes their degenerate policies destroying the fabric of society.
That war has almost nothing to do with religion. Your interpretation is such cause you probably are religious. It’s all about nationalism. The west is anti Putin not because of his religious beliefs. It’s because of his dictatorship regime…Because he threatens all neighboring smaller nations. Russia is seen as a threat to everyone.
On a different note the anti religious feelings among the young generation In the west are true.
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