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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
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Old 02-20-2024, 06:17 PM
 
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Russia has not invaded Syria, but they are there, acting in Russia's interest.
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And we just decided to barge into Syria without approval from their government and start killing people, whereas Russia was invited. So who are we to make it out like Russia is the bad guy?


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Russia influence has expended to Iran. We could talk about Iran being a rogue troublemaker and get little disagreement, but would Iran be what it is and would Yemeni Houthis be what they are without Russian influence?.
Without the implied protection of Russia, nations like Iran would likely be under the USA's boot. They didn't want that so Russia is their good guy...and we are their devil.


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What about Africa?... No invasion going on there, but Russian influence is creating problems there, too.
What are these problems that you say Russia is creating in Africa?

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Cuba?.... Should we empower Cuba's greatest ally?
We shouldn't be doing anything to Cuba. We have already damaged them needlessly.

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Venezuela?... Would Venezuela become strong enough to expand its military capabilities and create problems in South America?
Venezuela doesn't want the US companies to be dictating business in their region...and who can blame them?

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A weaker, less relevant Russia makes the world a safer place.
That is the thinking the US public (and anybody else that can be convinced) is supposed to buy. Much of the world would replace the word Russia with the USA. Fact is this isn't a good guy/ bad guy situation. There are no good guys. Have a US citizen explain to Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc etc...how Russia makes the world a less safe place and listen to the howls of laughter!
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Old 02-20-2024, 06:25 PM
 
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And we just decided to barge into Syria without approval from their government and start killing people, whereas Russia was invited. So who are we to make it out like Russia is the bad guy?



Without the implied protection of Russia, nations like Iran would likely be under the USA's boot. They didn't want that so Russia is their good guy...and we are their devil.




What are these problems that you say Russia is creating in Africa?


We shouldn't be doing anything to Cuba. We have already damaged them needlessly.


Venezuela doesn't want the US companies to be dictating business in their region...and who can blame them?


That is the thinking the US public (and anybody else that can be convinced) is supposed to buy. Much of the world would replace the word Russia with the USA. Fact is this isn't a good guy/ bad guy situation. There are no good guys. Have a US citizen explain to Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc etc...how Russia makes the world a less safe place and listen to the howls of laughter!
Good post. The US has for a fact destabilized much of the world arming terrorists and interfering in elections, toppling governments and assassinating officials.

Russia is seen by many to be a promoter of freedom. Look at the Russian flags flying in Africa lately, look at Russia in the Cold War denouncing segregation and racism.

Russia is corrupt too, but it's silly to pretend the US isn't up to similar evils.
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Old 02-20-2024, 06:53 PM
 
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AFU outpost in Krynky, left Dnipro river bank, thorn in the RAF butt, is cleansed. AFU still has some troops on the left bank but it's matter of few days.
Major movement at Novo Mikhailovka.
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Old 02-20-2024, 06:57 PM
 
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Obviously that is horrible and Russia is a corrupt country. Do you really think Trump and Tucker "worship" Russia as opposed to seeing US influence in Ukraine as bad?

It was Trump that first armed Ukraine after Obama refused, blocked the Nordstream pipeline, pressured our EU allies to get off Russian energy, etc.
Obviously what? It is war. So far, Russia was more than tolerant to the foreign agents, swarming its territory.
Why it is horrible? Because of rather small amount? At what point it would be not? 500? 5 000?
What exactly has amount to do with the principle of donating money to enemy? Go to Ukraine, donate all you want to.
It is a message. Any war crime, and it is war crime, no matter, how small, will be persecuted. So think twice.

BTW, such "innocent lassies" killed Dasha Dugina and a journalist.
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Old 02-20-2024, 07:31 PM
 
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Escalation coming? Russia is accusing Ukraine of using chemical weapons from the US as they retreat.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:17 PM
 
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Yep, this was a sad lost chance, to finally put an end to the Russian Empire. Russia was so vulnerable at the beginning of the war. But now a weak fumbling military power has proven that they can take what they want and get away with it.

The sanctions will remain in place and the Russian Empire will continue to get stronger, more independent, and take what they want. Which will be all of Eastern Europe, and then eventually Alaska. Putin has made it clear that is is goal, when he said that Alaska was illegally transferred to the US. Putin will take back what he considers rightfully Russia's and Americans will let him have it, because OMG we don't want WWW3.

There's a contradiction between "empire" and "weak[,] fumbling military power," and between that and "continue to get stronger, more independent."


You need to think harder about this.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:21 PM
 
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When calculating gains in this war, why is it maritime, airborne, and financial losses are never counted? The thing that gets counted is when Russia spends five months, loses tens of thousands of soldiers, and ends up controlling a town the size of Tupelo, Mississippi.


Russia’s monthly fossil fuel export revenues fell by 10% in January 2024 compared to the prior month. Russia’s revenues from fossil fuel exports have been falling steadily since September 2023. Even LNG exports are down. Doesn't this count as part of the war and sanctions, or no? LINK



This is related to a point I recall from an early interview, where one former U.S. military official said Russia would not win because implicity, it's not as ruthless as the U.S., which would have ensured that the war end on Day One because the U.S. would have bombed Ukraine back into the Stone Age.


Somehow, I get this feeling that the interviewee didn't realize that he was essentially shooting himself in the foot with that one.


Meanwhile,


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/19/e...ntl/index.html
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:22 PM
 
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I already joined America's military, for 10 years, meaning you would want me to risk my life for a non-NATO country. No thanks.

Have you ever actually served? Just curious.

I wonder if these points even make sense as the forum doesn't require ID verification, which means forum members can say things about themselves that they can't prove.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:26 PM
 
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Without the implied protection of Russia, nations like Iran would likely be under the USA's boot.
Which is where they belong. The world was safer back when Iranian sanctions were being enforced. The US took its boot off Iran's neck and what happened?


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We shouldn't be doing anything to Cuba. We have already damaged them needlessly.
Fortunately your opinion is not shared by regulators.


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Venezuela doesn't want the US companies to be dictating business in their region...and who can blame them?
Venezuela should have attended to their own business. They didn't and now it doesn't matter what they want. They wanted to sell oil and dictate who would be subject to their bullying. They failed. Tough.


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Have a US citizen explain to Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc etc...how Russia makes the world a less safe place ..........
What the citizens of those places think does not matter. Not even to their governments.

In fact, most of the time, the average citizen had BETTER keep his opinions to himself. We've seen what happens to Russians who disagree with their government.


The world is better off with a weakened Russia.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I wonder if these points even make sense as the forum doesn't require ID verification, which means forum members can say things about themselves that they can't prove.
Not true. A picture of your DD214 with your username in the background, with the personal information crossed out, can easily prove one has served. Every veteran has one as proof of service.
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