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Old 05-15-2024, 12:14 PM
 
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Things getting even more serious for Ukraine. Uke troops retreat from Kharkiv battle positions "to save the lives of servicemen and avoid losses" as the Russian offensive gathers pace. Oh well, if Kharkiv is taken by the Russians, then the Ukes will likely label that as an unimportant loss. Remember, everything the Russians take is always unimportant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-of-rcna152169
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Old 05-15-2024, 02:47 PM
 
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Things getting even more serious for Ukraine. Uke troops retreat from Kharkiv battle positions "to save the lives of servicemen and avoid losses" as the Russian offensive gathers pace. Oh well, if Kharkiv is taken by the Russians, then the Ukes will likely label that as an unimportant loss. Remember, everything the Russians take is always unimportant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-of-rcna152169
It's looking like Spring of 2022 all over again and Kharkiv is the next Mariupol.

It's one way to cope with the losses, but as long as Russians don't take Kyiv, Odessa, and L'viv then Ukraine will be ok.
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Old 05-15-2024, 03:03 PM
 
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It's looking like Spring of 2022 all over again and Kharkiv is the next Mariupol.

It's one way to cope with the losses, but as long as Russians don't take Kyiv, Odessa, and L'viv then Ukraine will be ok.
I think that those three cities will be taken by Russia, especially Odessa. Finally, the full brunt of the Russian military is now being released to complete this operation by summer's end if not before. And about a quarter of a million Russian troops have gathered in Belorussia. What are they going to be used for? Most likely to reinforce the Northern front.

This is not the Spring of 2022. The Russians are now far stronger and are willing to commit most of their forces to this war. And the Ukrainians have severe manpower shortages that won't let them adequately cover the whole front line and it is buckling. The Ukes are now on borrowed time where more money and war materiel won't help.
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Old 05-15-2024, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Reported attacks in Crimea using different systems. ATACMS, Storm/Scalp, UAV’s & Magura naval drones

Could be just panic talk although ATACMS & UAVs seem to be confirmed by videos & pictures

Unfinished business also in Belbek as it was hit again
https://twitter.com/NAFORaccoon/stat...47309317644577
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Old 05-15-2024, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Photograph released by Russians themselves of the destroyed mobile radar station from last night exposed the location of additional yet-to-be destroyed S-300/S-400 air defense launch systems in the background.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...66092031922471
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Old 05-15-2024, 07:12 PM
 
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Anyone remebers Surovikin line?

The Zelensky line near Kharkov exists: but there is a nuance...

So, Ukrainian channels and... our soldiers found near Liptsy those same “impregnable Zelensky lines†with “dragon teeth†that cost the Ukrainian budget billions of money. However, there is a nuance.

And this nuance in the picture...

Locals say that they have been lying there since the fall (or even summer, generally a long time ago) of last year.

P.S. Judging by the second photo, the concrete that was used to make them is also cheap. Ours is better (I saw Surovikin’s lines a week ago, tetrahedrons) almost like new...
https://t.me/yurasumy/15231

Ongoing RuAF joke about Zelensky line: Ukraine came up with portable defence line. They fold it and take it with them, during retreat.
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Old 05-15-2024, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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It's looking like Spring of 2022 all over again and Kharkiv is the next Mariupol.

It's one way to cope with the losses, but as long as Russians don't take Kyiv, Odessa, and L'viv then Ukraine will be ok.

So the operation was a success but the patient died.
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Old 05-15-2024, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Things getting even more serious for Ukraine. Uke troops retreat from Kharkiv battle positions "to save the lives of servicemen and avoid losses" as the Russian offensive gathers pace. Oh well, if Kharkiv is taken by the Russians, then the Ukes will likely label that as an unimportant loss. Remember, everything the Russians take is always unimportant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...-of-rcna152169
Well Kyiv has already accepted the fact that russia can still make tactical gains and successes despite taking huge losses.
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Russian forces have secured "tactical success" in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region after opening up a new front late last week, according to Kyiv's military, although the gains are said to have come at a significant cost.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-tact...kraine-1899728

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Moscow's forces have sustained a total of 486,940 casualties since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022,
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-casu...harkiv-1900735

So we have almost half a million dead or injured Russians but NATO feels the need to expand? Did the $60 billion we sent not work?
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Momentum appears to be growing for an expanded NATO presence in Ukraine, potentially even the deployment of allied soldiers there in noncombat roles to free up Kyiv's forces to better resist Russia's efforts.
https://www.newsweek.com/nato-mulls-...troops-1900303
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Old 05-15-2024, 08:46 PM
 
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hamstrung Ukes have been given the green light to use US supplied weapons in Russia...



https://kyivindependent.com/blinken-...0on%20May%2015.
Anyone championing this development or thinking it's a good idea, needs to consider the long-term ramifications of such a decision. We've been in many proxies wars since WWII, but never have adversaries supplied weapons to directly target one's homeland. This opens up a new cans worms.

The world works off tit for tac. Is it now okay for Russia to supply Iran with missiles that can strike the U.S. mainland? Is it okay for them to supply the Houthi's with updated drones and anti-ship missiles that can evade missile defense systems.

At this point I'm convinced Western leaders are driven by nothing more than ego. It makes no good sense to support Ukraine to this level. Our economic system is being harmed, and each move makes the possibility of WWIII reality.

The fact they are considering such measures shows how bad the war must be going for Ukraine.
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Old 05-16-2024, 04:22 AM
 
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Anyone championing this development or thinking it's a good idea, needs to consider the long-term ramifications of such a decision. We've been in many proxies wars since WWII, but never have adversaries supplied weapons to directly target one's homeland. This opens up a new cans worms.

The world works off tit for tac. Is it now okay for Russia to supply Iran with missiles that can strike the U.S. mainland? Is it okay for them to supply the Houthi's with updated drones and anti-ship missiles that can evade missile defense systems.

At this point I'm convinced Western leaders are driven by nothing more than ego. It makes no good sense to support Ukraine to this level. Our economic system is being harmed, and each move makes the possibility of WWIII reality.

The fact they are considering such measures shows how bad the war must be going for Ukraine.
You're thinking, which means the Ukraine bots will accuse you of being a Putin bot.

Don't think, thinking is bad, just thoughtlessly obey the will of the military industrial complex.

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