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Old 05-25-2022, 11:51 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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So Democrats are the party of Capitalism?

Texas is a Red state. What are your points to show that Republicans DO care about murdered school children?

I’m open to being made a fool of. Describe the agenda and plan that Republicans initiate to show “they’re trying to fix the problem by ___”
You don't think Democrats make their fortunes from capitalism? lmao. Do you know who Nancy Pelosi's husband is? Do you know how much Democrats make from selling books and giving speeches? Do you know how much money Hunter Biden makes for his dad in business deals. Do you realize the Democrats receive as much, or more, campaign donations from major corporations. Wake up! Quite being brainwashed by Democrats lying to you claiming they are anti-capitalism. It's a lie!

As for your second point. Again, the Democrats (and you) are blaming the Republicans for not passing gun laws. The Republicans do not have the ability to do so. The Democrats do, but they aren't.

Simple question for you: Why?
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I agree with you. But the Democrats don't. They claim to know how to solve this problem, but are adamantly refusing to pass laws to do so. Why is that? What are they hiding? Why are they blaming people like us who do have solutions?
It takes 60 votes to pass something due to senate filibuster rules. We don't always need to "do something" every time something bad happens. The price of having more freedom is sometimes bad things happen.

Not all of us want to live in a micro-managed nanny state... we don't want to trade more freedom for security/safety, or the illusion of it.

I would support raising the age you can own firearms to 21. Most of these shootings happen by young men who feel like they are not part of some social tribe.. basically the socially awkward outcasts. You are not going to fix that because human nature sort of prevents it.
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:53 AM
 
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So Democrats are the party of Capitalism?

Texas is a Red state. What are your points to show that Republicans DO care about murdered school children?

I’m open to being made a fool of. Describe the agenda and plan that Republicans initiate to show “they’re trying to fix the problem by ___”
Hmmm....great question or lead in to openly discuss this in a state that recently welcomed the NRA.
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:55 AM
 
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The two mass shootings we've seen recently point to the uselessness of gun laws. One was in TX, which has loose gun laws. One was in NY, which has very strict gun laws (and the shooter did not go out of state to get his guns.) The latter fact did nothing to prevent the massacre.

The problem isn't the availability of guns. The problem is the existence of people who want to go out in a burst of media attention by killing people.
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Pro tip: School shootings aren’t a new thing and I mentioned above the Virginia Tech school shooting happened during Bush’s presidency as well.

Take a look at this story:
https://www.wjhl.com/news/regional/t...tennessee/amp/

This man left a blue state to go to a red state and acquire dozens of guns. Why did he go to the red state to get guns and not the blue state?
Oh, so you are saying political party has nothing to do with school shooting or gun violence?


Didn’t you say something about GOP is in bed with gun lobbyist in your previous post?
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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You didn't read my post. I asked about Democrats, not Republicans. The Democrats could do it without the Republicans if they wanted to. The Republicans technically have no say as the minority.
10 Republicans would have to cross over and vote w/ the Dems because to get anything through the Senate requires 60 votes since the Dems didn't get rid of the Filibuster at the start of this Senate's term.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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Quick, tell us how much the gun lobbyists contribute. (It's not a big number, someone like Gates etc. would consider it pocket change.)

Then what's the REAL reason you ask? The Senate. Look at this map and notice the blue dot in Montana? Wisconsin? Or the two blue dots in MI or CO?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...h_congress.svg

If those democratic senators in rural states with lots of hunters etc. vote in a gun ban, they're toast and the Democrats don't want to lose multiple Senate seats.
Oh don’t worry I didn’t forget about you either. I had to address the other clowns first.

You asked how much gun lobbyists contribute. That can be answered here:

https://fortune.com/2022/05/25/nra-c...2021-ted-cruz/

Turns out it was RECORD NUMBERS last year lmao. Are you going to tel my Ted Cruz is a liberal and democrat?

Check this out too. Those numbers are a lot of money regardless if it’s chump change to Bill Gates. Ask yourself this, would they spend this money on mental health initiatives and investing in lower socioeconomic neighborhoods since it’s “not much” money.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...e=2018&ind=Q13
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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They did. They passed an assault weapon ban in 1994 that had a 10 year sunset. W. forgot to renew it because he was too busy looking for WMD's in Iraq.

NY has a very strict gun control law the effectiveness of which is limited because it's easy to get gun in NJ, PA, etc.
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:04 PM
 
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They did. They passed an assault weapon ban in 1994 that had a 10 year sunset. W. forgot to renew it because he was too busy looking for WMD's in Iraq.

NY has a very strict gun control law the effectiveness of which is limited because it's easy to get gun in NJ, PA, etc.
That ban did nothing and was completely unpopular and led to massive carnage for Democrats in the 1994 mid-terms. Congress, not GWB, decided to let it sunset in 2004 because it did nothing (and it didn't even "ban" "assault weapons").
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Old 05-25-2022, 12:05 PM
 
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Democrats control House, Senate and Presidency. They blame Republicans for not doing anything about gun crimes.

The blood of 19 children and 2 adults is on THEIR hand, no? They claim to have the solution to the problem. Why have they done nothing?
Exactly. Why have they done nothing. They all talk so big until it's time to actually pass legislation. It's unconscionable.

On the other hand, I don't know if Dems could pass legislation without 60 votes. They will never get a Republican to vote for gun legislation.
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