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I could ONLY get on board with armed officers if they are strictly for law enforcement and physical protection, and emphatically NOT to crack down on low-level student misbehavior.
In particular, they are ONLY there to enforce the law, NOT to enforce school rules or the code of conduct. And, no child under age 13 should be arrested for anything other than violence or an immediate threat of violence. Finally, there should be an absolute age minimum of 8 on any law enforcement whatsoever, for any reason at all. Children under 8 are small enough they can be restrained if necessary to protect others, there is no need to criminalize them.
I say this because it is important and tends to be neglected.
I could ONLY get on board with armed officers if they are strictly for law enforcement and physical protection, and emphatically NOT to crack down on low-level student misbehavior.
In particular, there are ONLY there to enforce the law, NOT to enforce school rules or the code of conduct. And, no child under age 13 should be arrested for anything other than violence or an immediate threat of violence. Finally, there should be an absolute age minimum of 8 on any law enforcement whatsoever, for any reason at all. Children under 8 are small enough they can be restrained if necessary to protect others, there is no need to criminalize them.
I say this because it is important and tends to be neglected.
Bully prevention will also go a long way in preventing school shootings. Many of these shooters have mental issues that stem from being bullied in school.
It essentially turns school into a prison, and we all know violence occurs in prison but we sort of dismiss as the norm. We dont want our schools to be prison so bullying cannot happen. Schools have to be a safe zone for children.
Therefore we need behavior enforcers at school if the teachers are not going to be that. And in my experience the teachers definitely dont get involved.
Has it been stated how the Ulvade shooter got into the building? If the door was locked, he would not have entered that way. Or if he was busy trying to open it, the cops who were already engaged with him on the outside may have had a chance to shoot at him.
Through a door that was left propped open by a teacher.
There is supposed to be video of it. Wonder if we will ever see it.
They said the teacher left the building by this side door and instead of wanting to go back in using the front door, propped it open to get back in.
Probably something they normally would do. And maybe the shooter knew it.
Right. You would think they might have a security system that would have beeped in the office to let them know a door was open.
Well those doors are used during the day to let kids go out to other buildings. And it is also where they get on the bus - so there would be constant beeping?
Just follow the rules and don't prop open the door.
And not only that, it would make load in times highly impractical. Let's say we are talking ab average suburban Arizona high school. Those have about 2,500 students and about 70 staff. You don't have the time to get 2,500 staff and students into the school through one entrance. Add to the fact it would require moving some parking lots for staff elsewhere. Two of the schools I've worked at had staff parking lots in the back, not the front of the school. That typically is the case in the high schools.
What the school I am at does is lock all gates at 8:10/8:15 the latest if there is a missing bus. At that point the only entrance is the office until 3:00 when the gates are opened to let students off campus. It works pretty good. The main issue we'd have is the soft target of the playground which I defy any school to not have without becoming a full on jailyard.
oh yes the playground. Our elementary playground is right on one of our main roads. They have an iron fence, but if someone wanted to park across the street and just start shooting - they could .
Bully prevention will also go a long way in preventing school shootings. Many of these shooters have mental issues that stem from being bullied in school.
Thus far we agree. I'm not sure if the rest of the post goes in the same direction.
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