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View Poll Results: Will you be watching the House January 6 Committee hearing?
YES-WATCHING 70 24.56%
NO-NOT WATCHING 215 75.44%
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Old 06-16-2022, 12:07 PM
 
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At any riot, you will have large numbers of people arrested and let go the next day. It is done to quell the riot... crowd control if you will. The ring leaders and those who cause damage are the ones who get prosecuted.

The other point you seem to be missing is the BLM riots occurred in various states. Each state was responsible for arrests and prosecution.

The Jan 6 event was against the US government. Therefore the US government is investigating and prosecuting.

I really don't understand why you don't see the difference.
A lot of the riots during “summer of love” 2020 targeted federal buildings like federal court house and ICE/CBP facilities. Those are federal crimes.

 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:08 PM
 
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Glad today's hearing is clarifying the position and duty of the V. P during the electoral count.

The testimonys' are actually being forthright .

Thank goodness they aren't deflecting . Straight. Precise .

Eastman's letters though we're fork tongued.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:09 PM
 
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So why would the same US Gov officials who are pushing this hearing choose to weigh in and cheer on the protestors, since it had nothing to do with them?

We all know why no one stepped in from the Gov't level. They absolutely could have once the states didn't take action. But had they done that, the screams of racism would have echoed through the valleys.

But I digress. The left is going to continue to try and paint this picture that the only crime committed here was by Trump. Not anything to do with the actual people who committed the acts. They are going to do this because he made life uncomfortable for them and they want to make darn sure that no non-career politician ever gets back into office again.

I bring up all of the BLM and similar events because the same people who have continuously pushed the anti-Trump agenda are the same ones who cheered on other egregious events that furthered their political gains. That should be concerning to all, regardless of which side of the aisle someone sits on.
This narrative that liberals supported the rioters who burned cities is a false one.

The 2020 summer protests....During daylight hours there were hundreds of protests with thousands and thousands of people . Those protests were for the most part peaceful. Like any other protests there were some clashes but there was not the same criminal activity as at night.

The violence when night fell was horrific. And the false narrative being maintained by conservative pundits that there were not arrests or people held accountable for their criminal activity during those riots is not right.

Arrests records show a significant number of people charged with crimes -- arson, theft, etc.....

And yes those riots that destroyed cities were horrible and wrong and there should be criminal charges to those who participated in criminal activity.

AND Jan. 6th riot at the Capitol was disgusting and those individuals who vandalized the Capitol, threatened individuals, etc. should also face (and have) criminal charges.

We need to stop the whataboutism.

I don't think Trump is criminally responsible for Jan. 6th but there is some responsibility on him and others that used the myth of a stolen election to get folks riled up. Even some of his supporters that were compelled to be there have admitted this. Is it criminal -- meh -- I'm no legal expert but I don't think there can be criminal charges.

I will say -- the whole idea that Pence could maybe have not followed the rule of law and refused to verify the election is disturbing. I think that concept which was dismissed by everybody but Trump & a few of his (and it was a very few) most loyal supporters, suggests a bigger picture of not respecting the rule of law in this country.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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So why would the same US Gov officials who are pushing this hearing choose to weigh in and cheer on the protestors, since it had nothing to do with them?

We all know why no one stepped in from the Gov't level. They absolutely could have once the states didn't take action. But had they done that, the screams of racism would have echoed through the valleys.

But I digress. The left is going to continue to try and paint this picture that the only crime committed here was by Trump. Not anything to do with the actual people who committed the acts. They are going to do this because he made life uncomfortable for them and they want to make darn sure that no non-career politician ever gets back into office again.

I bring up all of the BLM and similar events because the same people who have continuously pushed the anti-Trump agenda are the same ones who cheered on other egregious events that furthered their political gains. That should be concerning to all, regardless of which side of the aisle someone sits on.
I don't know who you think cheered on any of the riots. Many people supported protests, but do you have a list of people who cheered on the riots? I doubt it.

As to the Jan 6 event, I am still waiting to hear how the Proud Boys plan connects with Trumpworld. Then we will see who else might be at fault besides Trump. So far in the testimony today, this Eastman character seems to have played a major role in the attempt to overturn the election results.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:19 PM
 
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Seems to me like he is overwhelmed by being in the spotlight.
I was just about to post the similar thought. Whether or not you like some of these people, how demoralizing is it to be some lifelong party man to get hauled into Congress to answer for some of this stuff.

For a bunch of these guys it's all about the prestige that goes with being in a political coterie, something to rub in the faces of the country club set. Now it's klieg lights, mics, cameras in your face and having to explain to your grandchildren why you were on TV.

I'd be sympathetic over their plight but when you lie with dogs...
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:31 PM
 
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A lot of the riots during “summer of love” 2020 targeted federal buildings like federal court house and ICE/CBP facilities. Those are federal crimes.
Do you have examples where nobody was charged with crimes for those particular incidents? Wouldn't those be under the purview of the local FBI office?
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:40 PM
 
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Greg Jacob, senior legal counsel to Mike Pence, just testified under oath before the 1/6 committee.

Greg Jacob said that on January 5th, John Eastman, Trump's senior advisor, said to him: "I'm here to request that you reject the electors."

Unreal. Trump and his inner-circle really tried to put the pressure on Pence to overturn the free and fair election.

I have to give credit where credit is due. By rejecting Trump's request to overturn the election, it seems that Mike Pence and his team may have saved America and democracy.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:44 PM
 
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Greg Jacob, senior legal counsel to Mike Pence, just testified under oath before the 1/6 committee.

Greg Jacob said that on January 5th, John Eastman, Trump's senior advisor, said to him: "I'm here to request that you reject the electors."

Unreal. Trump and his inner-circle really tried to put the pressure on Pence to overturn the free and fair election.

I have to give credit where credit is due. By rejecting Trump's request to overturn the election, it seems that Mike Pence and his team may have saved America and democracy.
Yes.

I wonder if we will ever hear from this Eastman character. At the very least he needs to be disbarred.
 
Old 06-16-2022, 12:55 PM
 
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Do you have examples where nobody was charged with crimes for those particular incidents? Wouldn't those be under the purview of the local FBI office?
I don’t know because I don’t have the stats. The liberal media and democrats never talked about riots and attacks during “summer of love”, so we don’t have the number of people got arrested.

They only talk about Jan 6 for the last 18 months and we have the exact number of people prosecuted for Jan 6 incidents
 
Old 06-16-2022, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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A lot of the riots during “summer of love” 2020 targeted federal buildings like federal court house and ICE/CBP facilities. Those are federal crimes.
And Bill Barr was AG then, just as Merrick Garland is now.

Your point?

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