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Maybe that's your problem, you believe without question whatever they tell you to think.
I knew that if Roe v Wade was overturned that we would have a very bumpy growing period. It's been over 40 years since that decision. We lost 40 years where we should have been having that discussion. So here we sit, with the fanatics on both sides screaming, and drowning out the voices of everyone else.
The people from both extremes don't want a discussion. They are now bullying anyone who isn't fully on board with either abortion on demand, or no abortion at all.
If you don't agree to ban all abortion - you are evil and want infanticide.
If you don't want to allow all abortions - you are evil, want to take away women's Rights, and want them to die
For the next decade or so, before cooler heads take control, we are going to see new laws that try to either ban all abortions, or allow all abortions. Just accept it, and try not to get caught up in the drama and partisan divide that the extremists on both sides are trying to use to divide us.
I get the impression that some on here would support a very expansive or liberal abortion regime, in which government has no ability to impose any kind of restrictions whatsoever on the practice, not even restrictions such as parental notification/consent, waiting periods, or mandatory ultrasounds. I suspect pro-choicers would probably favor a law like that of Colorado, which declares that fetuses, embryos, and fertilized eggs enjoy "no rights under the law" and forbid government from interfering with a woman's decision to have an abortion or continue a pregnancy, at any stage. Polls make it clear that only a minority of the population supports a total abortion ban, and only a minority of the population favors abortion without any restrictions. Is there a median solution possible? Such as a 15-week ban with exceptions?
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I am not going to find links to every clinic in Texas. The above should be a pretty good indicator that abortion is not happening in Texas.
Here is the 1925 law that the Texas Attorney General says is in effect now:
Art. 1191. Abortion. – If any person shall designedly administer to a pregnant woman or knowingly procure to be administered with her consent any drug or medicine, or shall use towards her any violence or means whatever externally or internally applied, and thereby procure an abortion, he shall be confined in the penitentiary not less than two nor more than five years; if it be done without her consent, the punishment shall be doubled. By “abortion” is meant that the life of the fetus or embryo shall be destroyed in the woman’s womb or that a premature birth thereof be caused.
Art. 1192. Furnishing the means. – Whoever furnishes the means for procuring an abortion knowing the purpose intended is guilty as an accomplice.
Art. 1193. Attempt at abortion. – If the means used shall fail to produce an abortion, the offender is nevertheless guilty of an attempt to produce abortion, provided it be shown that such means were calculated to produce that result, and shall be fined not less than one hundred nor more than one thousand dollars.
Art. 1194. Murder in producing abortion. – If the death of the mother is occasioned by an abortion so produced or by an attempt to effect the same it is murder.
Art. 1196. By medical advice. – Nothing in this chapter applies to an abortion procured or attempted by medical advice for the purpose of saving the life of the mother.
Thank you for finally bringing something into the discussion that helps back up your claim, which was all I was asking for.
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Friday’s decision does not permit prosecutors to bring criminal cases against abortion providers, but it exposes anyone who assists in the procurement of an abortion to fines and lawsuits.
And, it sounds like this law is still being fought in court:
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A hearing is scheduled on July 12 to decide on a more permanent restraining order. The case will eventually be heard on its merits, though effectively the trigger law set to take effect in about two months will ensure abortion is banned in Texas regardless of whether the 1925 law is enforced.
Even if it is in effect the state cannot criminally prosecute, which basically makes the law toothless as far as the state is concerned.
If the abortion providers cannot be criminally prosecuted, then what is stopping them from continuing to provide abortions?
Outside of a possible fine or civil lawsuit(which the person suing would have to prove how they were harmed by someone else getting an abortion) there is really Nothing that would stop abortion providers from continuing. It sounds like the abortion providers want things back the way it was during RvW and they are using pregnant women who want abortions for that purpose.
Seems the abortion providers and the state are warring with each other, and the ones caught in the middle, being used as cannon fodder by both sides, are the women who want an abortion.
Even if it is in effect the state cannot criminally prosecute, which basically makes the law toothless as far as the state is concerned.
If the abortion providers cannot be criminally prosecuted, then what is stopping them from continuing to provide abortions?
Outside of a possible fine or civil lawsuit(which the person suing would have to prove how they were harmed by someone else getting an abortion) there is really Nothing that would stop abortion providers from continuing. It sounds like the abortion providers want things back the way it was during RvW and they are using pregnant women who want abortions for that purpose.
Seems the abortion providers and the state are warring with each other, and the ones caught in the middle, being used as cannon fodder by both sides, are the women who want an abortion.
The can't prosecute now, but they can prosecute later for actions taken now. No doctor is going to risk losing their license on the off chance they might not get prosecuted later.
I get the impression that some on here would support a very expansive or liberal abortion regime, in which government has no ability to impose any kind of restrictions whatsoever on the practice, not even restrictions such as parental notification/consent, waiting periods, or mandatory ultrasounds. I suspect pro-choicers would probably favor a law like that of Colorado, which declares that fetuses, embryos, and fertilized eggs enjoy "no rights under the law" and forbid government from interfering with a woman's decision to have an abortion or continue a pregnancy, at any stage. Polls make it clear that only a minority of the population supports a total abortion ban, and only a minority of the population favors abortion without any restrictions. Is there a median solution possible? Such as a 15-week ban with exceptions?
I call bull crap. Republican religious zealots in state legislatures are introducing laws to force women and children rape victims to give birth and prosecute women who leave their home states for abortion.
You seem to ignore that one side is trying to stop women from having agency over their own bodies and impose their religious beliefs on women with different beliefs.
The can't prosecute now, but they can prosecute later for actions taken now. No doctor is going to risk losing their license on the off chance they might not get prosecuted later.
4 years of undergraduate, 4 years med school then 3-4 years of residency.
Hundreds of thousands in student loans.
All so some some religious wack job can try to put you in prison. Aw hell no.
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