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Old 09-04-2022, 03:19 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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What specific Trump advice would have stopped Putin from wanting to invade Ukraine.
None, I guess.

The subject is Germany's move to green energy, not Putin's invasion. Germany should not have gone green. They should have retained their own energy producing plants, no matter how they worked.


There were 2 foolish moves;
1) Shutting down non-green power plants
2) Accepting a single source as provider of fuel.


If you want to talk about the invasion there are plenty of threads around for that.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:17 PM
 
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The global economy is in tatters after the pandemic.

What specific Trump advice would have stopped Putin from wanting to invade Ukraine.
Not heavily relying on Russian gas would be one.

Russia made their move on Ukraine because they got away with grabbing the Crimea with a wrist slap and figured they had deep enough gas and other reliance that much of the rest of Europe would not interfere, especially if he grabbed Ukraine fast.
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Old 09-04-2022, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Not heavily relying on Russian gas would be one.

Russia made their move on Ukraine because they got away with grabbing the Crimea with a wrist slap and figured they had deep enough gas and other reliance that much of the rest of Europe would not interfere, especially if he grabbed Ukraine fast.
Can we even IMAGINE the transfer of wealth from Europe to Russia as the result of this one-source move? I mean, WHAT A DEAL!
I (Russia) will build a pipe right into your country and then I will sell you all the gas I want at some price as yet to be announced. You will ignore all the atrocities I have committed, all the wars I have started with neighbors, and you must ignore the fact that I have used gas supply as a weapon in Georgia. Just sign here.

The only good part of the deal would be when some European yacht manufacturer was allowed to build a yacht for a Russian oligarch who paid for his ship with Euros that he got when he sold gas to the Europeans.

An impoverished Russia will make a safer world.
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Old 09-09-2022, 01:03 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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this sounds encouraging.

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Italian Eni has vowed to fully replace Russian gas by 2025 thanks to major developing LNG projects from Africa to the Middle East and major discoveries in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Eni’s Chief Operating Officer Guido Brusco told attendees of the Gastech conference in Milan on Tuesday evening that the Italian energy giant “plans to fully replace Russian gas by 2025 helped by east med fields”.

At the same time, deputy COO Cristian Signoretto told the conference that Eni would also invest nearly $4.5 billion every year for the next three years in upstream activities in several venues, including Qatar, Congo, Egypt, and Algeria.
The Oil Giant Planning To Make Russian Gas Irrelevant By 2025
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Old 09-09-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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Reality always has a way of disrupting the Greens utopian dreams!
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Old 09-09-2022, 01:56 PM
 
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I lived in a few places in Europe. Electricity bills where as much as it would cost to rent a house in a small city in the USA. The thing that made me laugh was in Holland you could enroll in green energy. Just check the green box and your bill would almost double. The electricity all comes from the same place.
And you can do exactly the same in ... Texas. So what's your point?
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