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Old 07-09-2022, 09:13 PM
 
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Paragraph 1 rebuttal: Yeah, they're as greedy as Donald Trump. But he nurtured and loved this country like no other President in my life time. With every mean tweet and Lefty tear, we all knew the Red White and Blue was back. And it'll be back again.


Paragraph 2 rebuttal: It's true that all media - no matter the political leanings - have to navigate our legal system. That's why Project Veritas keeps winning case after case and your pathetic lying scumbag media loses ad infinitum. It's called integrity. And your side has none.


P.S. Do you also find it a little ironic that you made a mistake when you tried to type "mistake"?

That reminds me.


When you were a kid: Did you ever play Mike Tyson's PUNCHOUT?
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:19 PM
 
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She may have. The media fawned over her when she pushed Germany into green energy and embraced business partners Russia, China and Iran.. Now, they are not so sure.
The German economy is in tatters. A recent headline says “German Industries Could Collapse Due to Russia Natural Gas Supply Cutbacks.” Germany is now described as “the sick man of Europe.” Things are getting so desperate that the Germans are now considering rationing gas for their major industries to keep the lights on


What happened?
*Germany moved away from Nuclear and fossil fuels except those produced in Russia
*Germany scoffed when Trump said, in 2018, that Germany would rue the day they built pipelines to Russia
*Ever the contrarian, she aligned Germany with rogue and militaristic regimes in Russia, China, and Iran
*She refused to pony up the 4% of GDP that Germany owed NATO for Europe’s defenses, and she bristled when Trump demanded it.........

Perhaps if the Germans and Europeans had heeded Trump’s advice, the debacle of Ukraine wouldn’t have happened.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...pse-of-germany

What do you expect from a West-hating ex-Communist?

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Germany is building up their military and will go to war soon in my opinion.
They have the third largest tank fleet in Europe after Russia and Ukraine, but a long ways to go otherwise.

They carry a comically low 8 brigades of infantry, and it is hard to see where their healthy service-age men are going to rush to fill that gap.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:22 PM
 
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From the Washington Examiner article:


Misleading.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/06...d-for-america/

Also, from the Washington Examiner article:


Untrue. Germany does not owe 4% of its GDP to NATO.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

Germany’s annual payments to NATO are a fraction of that EUR 2.5 billion. I am aware of no country who is in arrears of their share of that EUR 2.5 billion expenditure.

I will leave alone at this point the TRUE German-Russian union as the worst potential nightmare for the Anglo-Saxons, but obviously, for Trump it never made sense that his country ( that is the US) was shelling out so much money for NATO, protecting Europe ( and that means Germany including) from Russia, while the very Germany had close business ties with Russia.

So in HIS mind, to his understanding, it should have been one or the other.

Either "we take care of you," and "you buy gas from us," OR you can deal with Russia, but then we shouldn't be paying for your security.

Which is only logical.

But for Germany, it was not that simple.

Truth to be told, Germany has VERY long history with Russia, going back in centuries.

Modern Russian state is Germany's "illegitimate child" so to speak, but the love-hate relations is the best way to describe it. On one hand Germany invested a lot in Russia through the ages - both in tangible and intangible ways, and it was dependent on Russian resources for quite some time ( these two were both benefiting from these arrangements,) but once Germany decided to wrestle the "goods" from the Russians ( that's what the WWII was actually all about,) you know what happened next - Germany was basically destroyed. Culturally, it never recovered ever since. Just financially.

Obviously German government can't whole-heatedly trust post-Soviet Russian government ( who would? I wouldn't, do I need to explain to you why?)

Yet on another hand, Germany's key to prosperity are still good relations with Russia, precisely as German state founder, Otto von Bismarck willed to Germans couple of centuries ago.

The reason behind this knot ( the way I perceive it) is the way things played out back in the 90ies in Russia. The people that are still currently in charge in Russia, shouldn't have been there.

But the reason they are there, is because of Clinton and HIS policies of the nineties.
And that's why it's all in the knot.

Under the normal circumstances, Russia should have been the normal, democratic country with multi-party system, the kind Germany can trust.

Then there would be no need for NATO ( i.e US) to spend money for *defense* in Europe.

Unless someone, somewhere in Washington saw it differently back in the 90ies.

And this same "someone" wants to finish Germany off with the help of the "left" allied forces there.

And with Germany, down goes the "old Europe" with its history and patriarchy of the white males.

Or so some hope.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:32 PM
 
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It was the US strong arming them over Russian oil

Gas.

Gas pipe wars - that's what it's all about, particularly when it comes to Ukraine, that used to be the ultimate transit rout of Russian gas to Europe.

I won't get into complicated relations between Ukrainian and Russian "elite" ( read oligarchy intertwined with both governments,) but once Moscow decided that it had enough with Ukrainian blackmailing, the plan came in place to build the Nord Stream 2, in order to avoid Ukrainian territory all together.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:09 PM
 
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The US has been warning Germany for years about the gas pipeline being a issue both for them, and for NATO. Trusting Russia has been shown to be a error that people should not repeat for another generation.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:22 PM
 
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She may have. The media fawned over her when she pushed Germany into green energy and embraced business partners Russia, China and Iran.. Now, they are not so sure.
The German economy is in tatters. A recent headline says “German Industries Could Collapse Due to Russia Natural Gas Supply Cutbacks.” Germany is now described as “the sick man of Europe.” Things are getting so desperate that the Germans are now considering rationing gas for their major industries to keep the lights on


What happened?
*Germany moved away from Nuclear and fossil fuels except those produced in Russia
*Germany scoffed when Trump said, in 2018, that Germany would rue the day they built pipelines to Russia
*Ever the contrarian, she aligned Germany with rogue and militaristic regimes in Russia, China, and Iran
*She refused to pony up the 4% of GDP that Germany owed NATO for Europe’s defenses, and she bristled when Trump demanded it.........

Perhaps if the Germans and Europeans had heeded Trump’s advice, the debacle of Ukraine wouldn’t have happened.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...pse-of-germany
Lol. What a nonsensical thread title. Nothing of what's currently happening has anything to do with "green energy".
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:29 PM
 
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I guess Germany should heed to Trumps warning 3 years ago
https://youtu.be/1JpwkeTBwgs

And more
https://youtu.be/HmHbjMTOtes
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:33 PM
 
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The US has been warning Germany for years about the gas pipeline being a issue both for them, and for NATO. Trusting Russia has been shown to be a error that people should not repeat for another generation.

Yet again - for Germany Russian natural resources are essential to keep their economy going ( not to mention trade - that was important for Germany too.)
If Germany could do without Russian gas, no "warnings" from anyone would have been needed. But German industry didn't have any other viable options.

Russia all these years was reliable business partner, so Russia didn't cheat Germany, therefore "trusting Russia" in this respect was not an issue.

The issue was America (American government, the "left wing" for the most part that I can see,) that decided to continue its push against Russia ( that's what the whole plot in Ukraine was.)


Germany ( and its financial interests) were standing on the way of this plot.

Saying that "you can live without Russian gas" are all pretenses.

No, German industry can't live without it.

So American "left" still hopes to kill two rabbits with one bullet via the Ukrainian setup - both Russia and the "old Europe" starting with Germany.

I already explained the reason behind it; down with the old patriarchy - be that old Europe or Russia.


The "old world" must crumble and be done with, according to American "progressives."


The question is - what did they offer instead?
Just look around.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:40 PM
 
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Yet again - for Germany Russian natural resources are essential to keep their economy going ( not to mention trade - that was important for Germany too.)
If Germany could do without Russian gas, no "warnings" from anyone would have been needed. But German industry didn't have any other viable options.

Russia all these years was reliable business partner, so Russia didn't cheat Germany, therefore "trusting Russia" in this respect was not an issue.

The issue was America (American government, the "left wing" for the most part that I can see,) that decided to continue its push against Russia ( that's what the whole plot in Ukraine was.)
Germany ( and its financial interests) were standing on the way of this plot.

Saying that "you can live without Russian gas" are all pretenses.

No, German industry can't live without it.

So American "left" still hopes to kill two rabbits with one bullet via the Ukrainian setup - both Russia and the "old Europe" starting with Germany.

I already explained the reason behind it; down with the old patriarchy - be that old Europe or Russia.


The "old world" must crumble and be done with, according to American "progressives."


The question is - what did they offer instead?
Just look around.
LOL. Please. your pro Russia propaganda is just boring at this point. None of this would be a issue if Russia was not such a bad actor on the world stage. You are trying to blame Russias bad behavior on...green energy. And now deflecting to "the left" etc. LOL. Please.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:47 PM
 
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LOL. Please. your pro Russia propaganda is just boring at this point. None of this would be a issue if Russia was not such a bad actor on the world stage. You are trying to blame Russias bad behavior on...green energy. And now deflecting to "the left" etc. LOL. Please.

Don't read "boring" stuff.

Believe in "green energy" and "Russia's bad behavior" instead.
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