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Old 08-15-2022, 08:32 AM
 
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That doesn't necessarily mean that the president has unilateral power to declassify RD documents. I've read carefully through the 2018 updates to the Rules for Nuclear Classification and Declassification, and I've found nothing that specifically grants that power to the sitting president by virtue of his position alone, so I don't think we can assume as much. The link is in my previous post if you'd like to take a look yourself.
Keep researching.

Adam Schiff needs new material. The old collusion/insurrection fantasies are fading fast even amongst the long- haul TDSers.

 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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If the Archive, the Secret Service, the FBI and the DoJ knew he had CCTv at Mar A Lago betcha somebody besides Trump was monitoring it.

A padlock on the door does not seem strong enough. POTUS Trump already ran off one Chinese spy.
Stop repeating DNC lies about the security of the documents. This isn't some McDonald's building, but a building secured 24/7 by the United States Secret Service where only individuals who have undergone background checks are even allowed close to Donald Trump and his personal living spaces. You and the Dems are acting like any Tom, Dick and Harry had access to the locked file cabinet

Just like the physical security of Hillary's email server, there was no risk that some unauthorized person was gaining access to those documents. Unlike Hillary's server, however, we aren't talking about electronic records and information connected to the internet and accessible by bad actors via cyber hacking, etc.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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A follow-on to my previous post...

As to the question of who can officially declassify restricted data (RD) pertaining to the nuclear program, it appears to be only persons authorized by the Department of Energy (DOE).

Federal Register: Nuclear Classification and Declassification (dated: 12/21/2018)

Now, the above doesn't necessarily clarify beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump had the authority to declassify RD documents, but it does set forth a long list of requirements for being granted that authority by the DOE. The question is: did the President meet them?
What branch of government does the Dept of Energy fall under?
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:35 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Keep researching.

Adam Schiff needs new material. The old collusion/insurrection fantasies are fading fast even amongst the long- haul TDSers.
Collusion happened. Manafort admitted to providing Kilimnik - a suspected Russian Intelligence officer - with polling data and campaign strategy information back when he was running Trump's campaign.

This will probably get deleted too, but I'm going to post the truth every time you bring up collusion.

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Old 08-15-2022, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I did some reading on the matter. I went through several different legal interpretations which were conflicting. Even The NY Times admitted it will take the USSC to settle the matter as they have never had a challenge on this come before them
Why would this go to the Supreme Court when the law is quite clear. There have been disagreements in the past but a resolution is usually negotiated. Nothing close to what Trump just did.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:35 AM
 
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From Fox:

“ Trump 'will do whatever' he can to 'help the country' after FBI raid: 'Temperature has to be brought down'
Trump said his representatives reached out to DOJ to offer to help amid outrage over the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago”

Who’d have guessed this would play right into his re-election appeal.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:38 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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From Fox:

“ Trump 'will do whatever' he can to 'help the country' after FBI raid: 'Temperature has to be brought down'
Trump said his representatives reached out to DOJ to offer to help amid outrage over the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago”

Who’d have guessed this would play right into his re-election appeal.
What exactly has Trump done or said to lower the temperature so far?
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Very simply. All the acts you mentioned (and applying a set interpretation to) are passed by the legislative branch, limiting the power of the president. Furthermore, classified docs from the various departments (DOE as an example) are all part of the executive branch, of which the Constitution makes the president the head.

So it’s not even clear, per the Constitution, the legislative branch can restrict the president in this way. Never been brought before the Supreme Court because never in the history of this country have we had a DOJ so petty they turned to mishandling of classified Docs by a former president as a way to finally get him.
It's called "Checks and Balances". It's a feature of our system of government, not a bug. A president is not accorded the prerogatives of an absolute monarch, nor should he be.

There are still procedures that must be followed when a document is declassified. The job is not over until the paperwork is done.
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:42 AM
 
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Why would this go to the Supreme Court when the law is quite clear. There have been disagreements in the past but a resolution is usually negotiated. Nothing close to what Trump just did.
Trump raided Mar-a-Largo?

Nope, DOJ did this. And now we are a ‘banana republic’. Normal folks don’t like that.

Trump in a landslide.

Nice work Dems/Biden!
 
Old 08-15-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Sure, but that only concerns official records, not duplicate copies. The Presidential Records Act was written in a time before the internet and mass electronic indexing/scanning/etc. The mere fact that someone covered by the act has tangible property in their possession is not inherently a smoking gun.

So, people saying that "documents" were found tells me little.

In any event, there is a process for retrieving documents held contrary to the PRA and it doesn't involve the FBI raiding a presidential office; the act actually lacks an enforcement mechanism: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-look-...ntial-records/. That's not to say that presidents are still not bound to abide by the law, but I write this to focus on appropriate response to potential violations of the act as inappropriate responses call into question their legal basis and appropriateness.
"... and it doesn't involve the FBI raiding a presidential office

Gee, if the former President was a fine upstanding citizen who returned the documents when asked nicely, or when he received a subpoena for them, there would have been no need for a warrant and FBI raid. And no, Trump no longer has a presidential office.

BTW, a photocopied document with a classified label is still classified.
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