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Old 09-09-2022, 09:59 AM
 
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People can explore issues that dont directly affect them.
Of course. But in the end, what is allowed or happens is based on jurisdictional laws.

 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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What happened to my body my choice?

Who’s paying for the vasectomy?

Who’s paying for the procedure when the man and woman want to use the sperm to have children?
Much of my body my choice has been taken away from women, on a state level anyway.

Who pays for the insemination, the ones who want to use the sperm, duh.

Your choice to have a vasectomy or not. You pay for it or your insurance does. Just like everything else. Personally, I wouldnt mind tax dollars going to pay for permanent sterilization for both men and women.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:08 AM
 
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Those are my sentiments exactly.
So both of you refute the op's suggestion that men should be able to opt out of child support because they are not ready to be a father. They didnt wear protection and them's the brakes.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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Of course. But in the end, what is allowed or happens is based on jurisdictional laws.
Yes, but we can discuss it on a discussion board even if it does not directly affect us. Discussions are the first steps in changing legislation.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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If abortion is available, then the father should have the option to participate or not in any part of the child's life - financial, emotional etc. Totally up to him. If the government denies women choice then it also must deny it to the father and dictate his participation.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Nothing too worry about, period! You and yours just take remote situations and use them to make a point for your pro-abortion stances.

So what that a woman's body is changed somewhat from pregnancy and childbirth? Is it earth shattering for most? Do they lose their ability to function as a normal human being? Are you suggesting that women stop producing children? You're not making any sense here.

I am all for women to be able to abort if their lives are at risk or they are raped but that doesn't seem enough for you and yours. Why is that?
What you pass off as remote situations are not as "remote" as you think. In any case, these "remote" situations as you call them affect real women.

Pregnancy and childbirth in the US are not without risk, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

This is one of the primary reasons a woman's choice to go forward or abort is hers and hers alone. She faces a physical risk that no man can face. So trying to equate males opting out with women opting out makes no sense.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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It is not my job to dictate my moral code, nor is it the government's job. We are either for equality, or we are not.


Mlk once said " morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated." So to a certain degree, child support law exists for a reason.

Reality is in many situation, children are way better off if their biological mother or father just stay out of their life. For example, my sister in laws biological son wants nothing to do with his biological father. The boys 15th birthday wish is for my brother to legally adopt him.

My brother and my sister in law are financially secure, they really can do without the so called child support her ex sometimes pays Lol but since the guy sometimes pays and had visited the boy 10 times during the past 14 years, he thinks he has all the rights in the world as a father.

The last time he came to visit, the whole purpose is to convince my sister in law and my brother to invest in a project.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:39 AM
 
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Mlk once said " morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated." So to a certain degree, child support law exists for a reason.

Reality is in many situation, children are way better off if their biological mother or father just stay out of their life. For example, my sister in laws biological son wants nothing to do with his biological father. The boys 15th birthday wish is for my brother to legally adopt him.

My brother and my sister in law are financially secure, they really can do without the so called child support her ex sometimes pays Lol
Child support laws came in a time abortion was generally illegal, and women were not in the workplace.

We live in a very different world.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:42 AM
 
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Child support laws came in a time abortion was generally illegal, and women were not in the workplace.

We live in a very different world.
Very different world indeed. Now it takes 2 incomes to raise a family, so child support is still needed by the custodial parent in most homes.
 
Old 09-09-2022, 10:47 AM
 
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Very different world indeed. Now it takes 2 incomes to raise a family, so child support is still needed by the custodial parent in most homes.
I think abortion upends this entire premise.

A woman can take her income into consideration when deciding if she wants to keep the child or not. I don't see how a man should be held accountable for her choice to keep it.
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