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Finding nurse 'professors' is an issue because nurses ... want to provide patient care. They don't want to teach.
This limits the opportunities for students.
Forgive me if already mentioned another issue here is experienced nurses tend to make significantly more money than nurses as teachers/professors.
As an anecdote a SIL is a very experienced RN, nearing 40 yrs. working in big city hospital. She has a big school BSN and MSN and an MPH (masters of public health). Her BSN school offered her a full time professorship but it came with what would have been a ~35% or so pay cut. Unfortunately, I think the same rubric is common.
Although the landscape is different the same applies to clinical medicine vs. academic medicine.
There are lots of foreign nurses working in the US, but there is an expectation of patients to be treated by a US citizen with a good command of the english language while in a US hospital.
Some foreign nurses have been in the country for years,I recall meeting a lady who is an agent bringing Phlipino nurses into this country.
But I agree,beside language ,there is always local customs may differ,what is acceptable in foreign country may not be acceptable in US.
But there are many foreign born doctors from Egypt,India,Vietnam,CHina,Mexico,Brazil,
Forgive me if already mentioned another issue here is experienced nurses tend to make significantly more money than nurses as teachers/professors.
As an anecdote a SIL is a very experienced RN, nearing 40 yrs. working in big city hospital. She has a big school BSN and MSN and an MPH (masters of public health). Her BSN school offered her a full time professorship but it came with what would have been a ~35% or so pay cut. Unfortunately, I think the same rubric is common.
Although the landscape is different the same applies to clinical medicine vs. academic medicine.
They do. But the professors way fewer hours.
It's more that they don't want to teach. They would rather be nurses.
Some foreign nurses have been in the country for years,I recall meeting a lady who is an agent bringing Phlipino nurses into this country.
But I agree,beside language ,there is always local customs may differ,what is acceptable in foreign country may not be acceptable in US.
But there are many foreign born doctors from Egypt,India,Vietnam,CHina,Mexico,Brazil,
Yes, back in the 80's and 90's many nurses came from the Philippines because the nursing shortage made it easy for them to obtain visas, and still even still today.
As far as foreign born doctors, that is not as true today as it used to be, and it will be even less common in the future, unless something is done to change the training structure. We have been graduating more and more MD students in the US. We have opened new medical schools, and made existing classes larger. Plus the DOs have been expanding and doing MD residencies.
You would think that this is great news, since there is a shortage of doctors, but actually, it does nothing at all to change the number of doctors. The number of residency spots is fixed, and can only be changed by increased medicare spending, which is at the mercy of congress.. The number of residency spots has not increased very much at all while all this has been happening. So while we have been creating many more American trained doctors, they have been squeezing out the foreign born doctors for the residency spots, and the total number of resident doctors has remained relatively the same.
I support these union strikes, but not because I support the unions. Rather, I hope that these strikes occur so that people will feel the pain and dump the Democrats who support these unions and make it easier for them to engage in such shenanigans.
I support these union strikes, but not because I support the unions. Rather, I hope that these strikes occur so that people will feel the pain and dump the Democrats who support these unions and make it easier for them to engage in such shenanigans.
see post 45 for what those "shenanigans" have gained for the US workers....by Unions.
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A relatives girlfriend works as a traveling nurse (I dont think she is even an RN) and makes 130K. This is in an area where the median income is ~54K.
That's nonsense. Not an RN, your mostly regulated to nursing home type employment.
We need unions. Nurses are over worked and under paid. Hospitals are dangerous places to be as a patient right now. Don't get sick. Hospitals are not giving good care.
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Yes, back in the 80's and 90's many nurses came from the Philippines because the nursing shortage made it easy for them to obtain visas, and still even still today.
As far as foreign born doctors, that is not as true today as it used to be, and it will be even less common in the future, unless something is done to change the training structure. We have been graduating more and more MD students in the US. We have opened new medical schools, and made existing classes larger. Plus the DOs have been expanding and doing MD residencies.
You would think that this is great news, since there is a shortage of doctors, but actually, it does nothing at all to change the number of doctors. The number of residency spots is fixed, and can only be changed by increased medicare spending, which is at the mercy of congress.. The number of residency spots has not increased very much at all while all this has been happening. So while we have been creating many more American trained doctors, they have been squeezing out the foreign born doctors for the residency spots, and the total number of resident doctors has remained relatively the same.
I live in Maryland. Foreign doctors and nurses are all you see in hospitals.
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see post 45 for what those "shenanigans" have gained for the US workers....by Unions.
It's called supply and demand. Not enough of something you pay more. Economics 101...
I can't believe that nurses across the entire US aren't unionized. They need to get smarter. They'd have the bean counters that run these hospitals by the short hairs.
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These nurses went on a 3-day strike to make a point. And their main demand isn't higher wages, it's having a say in scheduling, and having a say in patient care. They feel conditions are not safe for their patients and are bringing attention to that.
This post is the absolute truth. It's this way all over the country. The anti union people don't have a clue what's going on in these hospitals. Anti union or pro union hospitals are not good. Nurses are about SAVING YOUR LIFE. They are stretched to thin to provide adequate care. BELIEVE IT OR DIE!
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