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Old 05-14-2023, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yep take a serious issue and make an Orange Man Bad joke (the one guy who took this issue seriously in the past 40 years).

Congratulations.

No wonder our country is circling the drain.
True, he tried to do something, but the big corporate puppets like Paul Ryan, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell stood in his way so their overlords would always have a cheap labor force.
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Old 05-14-2023, 08:25 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Cheap shots are just that ---

Speaking of disease, when the White man showed up on the shores of this land, they brought with them small pox, which wiped out 5% of the population of the people who were native.

You're assertions are untrue and unfounded --- immigration laws are long; the process is regulated. If you don't like how they are handling the situation, talk to your Congressman about it.

Other countries could make your same assertions about the 10 Million Americans that have left, to live abroad. So much for standing with fellow Americans, who are looking for opportunities they could not get in their home country.
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For a lot of reasons (primarily economic, but also humanitarian), I’m for broadening access to people wishing to immigrate to this country. It is in our long term self interest. You and I both know, however, that there are, some legitimate concerns about how immigration is being handled in the US. It’s not unreasonable to say the process could benefit from better “structure and control”, and to that extent, and that extent only, we share the same interests as the xenophobes that post here. But clearly, the xenophobes have ambitions well beyond ensuring an orderly immigration process. Their rhetoric is hateful, dehumanizing, racist, bigoted….look at the language they use to refer to immigrants. They don’t want people who look differently than they do, speak differently than they do, or have a different culture than they do allowed in this country. I suspect much of this comes from a place of fear…of losing the life they know. I can understand those concerns…change isn’t easy. But much of the resistance is just plain hate….hard to be sympathetic to that.
No one knows what the laws are concerning immigration. If they did, they could then express their legitimate concerns about how immigration is being handled in the u.s., rather than the dehumanizing rhetoric they resort to. Knowledge is power and they don't seem to have it.

Like I said there was a lady on the Sean Hanity show, immigrated here; had to wait 10 years for her green card. Doesn't that mean she was here illegally for those 10 years? And yet, she was praised for going the legal route. Shouldn't she have gone back to the country she came from and wait out those 10 years for her green card?

The other thing that is fascinating to me is, they don't see money walking in the door, but rather money walking out the door. With 10 million Americans that have left and live abroad. The other 6.8 million that have died from COVID, as well as, the replacement level of births being that of 1.68 when it takes 2.1 --- Even if a person has to come in, from another spot, beside the port of entry and sort out the legalities of that move afterwards, that's better than the alternative. Because the alternative delivers, (what the citizens seem to desire) sluggish to slow population growth, that eventually leaves to the u.s. shriveling up into nothing. A country isn't a country without people and if the people are not birthing them, they got to come from somewhere.
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Old 05-14-2023, 08:27 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I wonder how many open borders types would like an encampment of jobless, destitute, low IQ, single males in their own neighborhoods?
I want to do a tiny home project ... 2 year program that helps people get on their feet. And yes, there are a lot of people that have a problem with that.
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Old 05-14-2023, 08:30 AM
 
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I want to do a tiny home project ... 2 year program that helps people get on their feet. And yes, there are a lot of people that have a problem with that.
Which really doesn't address my point
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Old 05-14-2023, 08:30 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Do you not know the meaning of the word disabled? You too are hitting all of the preferred stereotypes as well….but I am asking about their disabilities.
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Low IQ ,unskilled, uneducated, destitute
Tesla arriving with 4 cents in his pockets --- yes, appearances matter.
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Old 05-14-2023, 08:41 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I wonder how many open borders types would like an encampment of jobless, destitute, low IQ, single males in their own neighborhoods?
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I want to do a tiny home project ... 2 year program that helps people get on their feet. And yes, there are a lot of people that have a problem with that.
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Which really doesn't address my point
Yes, it does for those that see people and not some arbitrary status.

Some one posted once --- so move them into your home. And I thought, that would mean that I could have better housing, with everyone working and pitching in, in just a few years, I'd have a mansion. I know they would work and pitch in as a group, because that's their culture. They don't know the American individualism, but their children will learn it. Two generations out, and they're like, shut the door, don't let any more in.
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Old 05-14-2023, 09:27 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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That was my first thought, but then not everyone of the 6 million covid deaths were senior citizens.
Your claim that there were 6 million covid deaths of US citizens has been debunked, why do you keep spreading that lie?
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Old 05-14-2023, 09:32 AM
 
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That was my first thought, but then not everyone of the 6 million covid deaths were senior citizens.
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Your claim that there were 6 million covid deaths of US citizens has been debunked, why do you keep spreading that lie?
https://www.statista.com/topics/6084/coronavirus-covid-19-in-the-us/ Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the U.S. - Statistics & Facts | Statista


In addition, the number of deaths from COVID-19 was over 6.86 million. The United States is the country with the highest number of confirmed cases and deaths.
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Old 05-14-2023, 10:06 AM
 
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Your claim that there were 6 million covid deaths of US citizens has been debunked, why do you keep spreading that lie?
That's what they do. The 6 million deaths are the world-wide deaths, not the deaths in the U.S.



United States cases
Updated May 14 at 4:05 AM local
Confirmed
103,343,569
Deaths
1,125,209

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Global cases
Updated May 14 at 4:05 AM local
Confirmed
765,902,514
Deaths
6,927,365

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Old 05-14-2023, 10:17 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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the u.s. Lost approx. 6.86 million americans to covid.
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"the u.s. Lost approx. 6.86 million americans to covid."

false, a gross exaggeration. Your figure is the number of deaths worldwide.

1.1 million americans died of covid. But we all know that number is skewed, if they died of other causes but had covid in their system then it was counted as a covid death.

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-repo...m-covid-19-now
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https://www.statista.com/topics/6084/coronavirus-covid-19-in-the-us/ coronavirus (covid-19) in the u.s. - statistics & facts | statista


in addition, the number of deaths from covid-19 was over 6.86 million. the united states is the country with the highest number of confirmed cases and deaths.
And? My link and your own link proves your [constant] claim of - "the u.s. Lost approx. 6.86 million americans to covid." - is false. So why do you keep making that claim when you know it is false?


From your own link, this is what Statista used to show their proof, which was linked to in their article:

Number of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide as of May 2, 2023, by country and territory

World 6,866,733
USA 1,161,164


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...de-by-country/
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