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Originally Posted by Seacove
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Geesh, I hope they aren't coming here! They really bring down the standard of living, plus destroy the school systems with the much higher cost of educating the children. They also drain the charities!
An employer breaks the law when they hire illegal aliens, did you not know that? So, you don't like DeSantis enforcing the law.
I would spend less time on Twitter, and more learning about the laws of our country.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a (Unlawful employment of aliens)
I don't get why liberals don't think laws should be enforced.
Now, they can bring them legally with H-2A temp agricultural visas, but they don't like doing that, as they must pay them the prevailing wages, and it falls under OSHA when it comes to working conditions. Of course, the person works, and then returns to their home country, instead of becoming a burden to taxpayers.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the...ltural-workers
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired
How did DeSantis eliminate H-2A visas ? Which bill was that in ?
Farmers should not be hiring illegals.
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Do something legally? Liberals oppose laws, so just "NO"!
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Originally Posted by tinytrump
Fact remains - many are illegals. I posted on another thread why farmers n workers don’t try to go the legal route. It doesn’t work well at all. Limits -timing-money- and control of the pickers - as in they can’t go to another state to pick a harvest while attached to one farmer in Fl. It also pushes farmers to pay a much higher wage, but still hurts the farmer bottom line as he gets under bid. It’s messy. But nobody wants to fix it.
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So, these illegals are the new slaves in the south, right? The farmers can get away with a lot more by hiring these illegal workers/slaves. They don't have to worry about OSHA or the Department of Labor - thus as I keep saying with the illegal invasion, 3rd world here we come!
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired
and then Americans drop dead in the streets because they have no food.
Always the extremes
200K LEGAL migrant workers go to Florida each year to work.
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Plus, less and less is being grown in the US now and coming through the southern border, when the foot traffic isn't too heavy to allow the trucks to pass. I bought a piece of fruit, I think it was citrus fruit, a few months ago, and it was imported from Israel. I just remember thinking that we grew the fruit, thus why were importing it.
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Originally Posted by Williepaws
well who can blame them when Americans cant be bothered to do some hard work picking veggies/fruit, working in slaughter houses etc.
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Give it up! We have a lot of people that do that work, sure in the big cities, people are not aware of this. Also, the farmers do this because they get away with paying less money, ignoring labor and OSHA laws, etc., so if they were hiring people at a decent wage, they could get workers, but instead they get over paying lesser wages, emergency medical is paid by the taxpayers to include child birth and then the child is on public assistance and can get the whole family into public housing too! So, we cover all of those costs, and I am sick of it!
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Originally Posted by Jo48
Rick Scott wanted to use prisoners as firefighters. Maybe DeSantis can use them to pick crops. When I lived in Florida, I did see "chain gangs" picking up garbage on the roads.
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Actually, that is an awesome idea! Also, I bet they would see less anxiety and trouble by the prisoners when they were tuckered out from field work! I know they always get more volunteers when it comes to picking up trash, etc., as the prisoners enjoy getting outside when they can.
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa
H-2A is a failed program for many, many reasons. The free market works much better. Let it function. Let them come and work. We need to eat.
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Yeah, because the employer has to follow all the fair labor practices. It is also nice to have the taxpayer pick up a lot of the cost of their "employees". We are talking about the employers breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens.
So much of what comes in isn't coming from FL. I can't remember the last time I saw a fruit or vegetable from FL.
I DO NOT want to subsidize these law breaking employers who exploit these workers for more profit in their pockets.
How much would cost to pay a fair wage?
https://www.epi.org/blog/how-much-wo...per-household/
"A 40% increase in pay would cost just $25 per household"
"For a typical household or consumer unit, a 40% increase in farm labor costs translates into a 4% increase in the retail price of fresh fruits and vegetables (0.30 farm share of retail prices x 0.33 farm labor share of farm revenue = 10%; if farm labor costs rise 40%, retail spending rises 4%). If average farmworker earnings rose by 40%, and the increase were passed on entirely to consumers, average spending on fresh fruits and vegetables for a typical household would rise by $25 per year (4% of $615 = $24.60)."
So, we raise the wages hiring legal workers, and that way we don't have to subsidize the workers to put more profit in the pockets of the employers. $25 dollars a year to offer better wages? Sounds fine to me. We have a lot of people out of work, and if we cut the public assistance, I think we get those fruits and veggies picked! I know, the horror of "work"! Can't Uncle Sam just take care of us?
I don't understand what Democrats have against enforcing laws. Modern slavery seems attractive to them, so I guess that is why they are focused on allowing illegal aliens to come in.
BOTTOM LINE: When one employer cheats to get more profits, the employer not cheating loses out, so allowing one employer to break the laws, only encourages others to do it.
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