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Old 03-01-2024, 02:22 PM
 
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Well, the left aspires to be just like Europe so...
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Old 03-01-2024, 02:42 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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How?

..........The EPA doesn't inspect.
The EPA would have to convince the states that do emissions testing based on the current EPA standards instead of the current laws that you have to pass year of manufacture standards...
https://www.wqpmag.com/home/news/109...ke-bay-cleanup

https://www.epa.gov/sdwa/drinking-wa...d-contaminants

I remember about fifteen years ago when regulations came down from the EPA that arsenic levels in drinking water were required to be lower than what was naturally occurring.

So yes, the EPA does set standards and forces states to meet them regardless of what state law currently embodies.
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Old 03-01-2024, 03:28 PM
 
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The proposed EU law only applies to scrapped cars.

The law pertains to AFTER you decided to stop repair and scrap the car.
The law is not about scrapped cars, it's about "residual" cars.

Essentially, older (so called residual) cars won't be allowed to repair and sell in Europe. "Older" means produced before 2009.

California, for sure, will follow.
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Old 03-01-2024, 03:31 PM
 
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The law is not about scrapped cars, it's about "residual" cars.

Essentially, older (so called residual) cars won't be allowed to repair and sell in Europe. "Older" means produced before 2009.

California, for sure, will follow.
It's the missing piece of the puzzle. Ca won't ban ICE cars directly; they will let them age out naturally. What better way to speed that process up then to make parts or working them illegal?
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Old 03-01-2024, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Dayton OH
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Unsurprisingly, the right wing is making this out to be something bigger than it really is.

European Proposal to BAN 15 Year Old Cars!

IOW it's not just a blanket ban of anything older than 15 years.

Furthermore, it's just a proposal. Who knows if it'll actually be adopted. Would be surprised if it is.

In some European nations, such as Germany, car inspection requirements are already so strict that old clunker cars are de facto 'banned' anyway.
There is no shortage of old vehicles in Germany or most other countries in Europe, as long as they are maintained in reasonably good condition. I lived for 3 of the past 5 years in Chemnitz, in the eastern part of Germany where you see 30+ year old communist era Trabant or Wartburg cars on the road every day. They are common enough that they don't attract anyone's attention. Most of them have noisy two-stroke engines with two or four cylinders. They are all legal and registered, but I am guessing they get a pass on emissions as "historical" vehicles. Don't even tempt me to mention the countless two-stroke Simpson and MZ two-stroke mopeds and small motorcycles buzzing around, also 30+ years old from the communist era. These have a cult following and would have to be pried from the cold dead hands of their owners.

I think the presumption that a ban of 15+ year old cars in the EU is much ado about nothing, because it is very likely not to pass in the EU. All of the Eastern EU countries are loaded to the brim with older used cars that they bring in by the truckload everyday from the western EU countries - they would never agree to this.
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Old 03-01-2024, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Central Mass
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The law is not about scrapped cars, it's about "residual" cars.

Essentially, older (so called residual) cars won't be allowed to repair and sell in Europe. "Older" means produced before 2009.
"Residual" doesn't show up in the proposal at all. It's ELV - End Of Live Vehicles. ELV are vehicles that are scrapped.

The directive also requires removing lead from aluminum alloys in new cars as well as certain alloys in new batteries.
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Old 03-01-2024, 04:17 PM
 
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"Residual" doesn't show up in the proposal at all. It's ELV - End Of Live Vehicles. ELV are vehicles that are scrapped.

The directive also requires removing lead from aluminum alloys in new cars as well as certain alloys in new batteries.
Who determines what end of life is. I suppose the unavailability of parts would speed that up and help define it.
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Old 03-01-2024, 04:30 PM
 
Location: The 719
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If your car is over 15 years old, it probably doesn't make sense to spend a lot of money on repairs. You will be spending more than the car is worth. Put your money toward a new(er) car.

But there shouldn't be a law against it.
What's the interest rate on a new or slightly used vehicle in your area?

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The EPA can easily change the rules so that your older vehicles fail inspection
We don't have vehicle inspections in my locality.
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Old 03-01-2024, 04:48 PM
 
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Who determines what end of life is.
If a car needs new brake pads, a bureaucrat will allow to operate it. If it needs new brake hoses, it must be scrapped.
If oil leeks through the head gasket, you won't be allowed to buy a new gasket and do the job over a weekend.
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Old 03-01-2024, 04:54 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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What's the interest rate on a new or slightly used vehicle in your area?



We don't have vehicle inspections in my locality.
Then national standards would be imposed, just like happens now across a range of issues. The EPA gets the most press right now but other agencies get into the act.

It was the Consumer Products Safety Commission a few months ago.

The new rules for residential washers and dryers were finalized this week by the Department of Energy:
https://environmentamerica.org/cente...lothes-dryers/
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