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View Poll Results: Were Native Americans the victims of Genocide by the United States of America?
Yes 184 67.65%
No 88 32.35%
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Unfortunately between DC and Balto
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crap! Study history, Every culture that has been a world power has subjugated/extermintaed the indeginous populations of the countrys they overthrew. The Egyptions,Charthagenians,Romans,Huns,Vandles,Goths ..It's nothing new Friggin Crow-Magnon moved in and wiped out the Neanderthals. To say the White Anglo Saxon Protestents are the first to do it is assinine. I for one am HAPPY my forefathers carved this country out nothing.
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The indeginous population of North America were for the most part hunter gatherers which means they killed everyone and everything in one spot till it would no longer sustain life then they moved on. Eco friendly my eye..................The Hopie and before them the Anastazi were Tribes that did maintain one location by useing agriculture untill they destroyed the local enviroment and GASP climate change wiped them out.

Not completely true...many tribes in the northest and southeast Canada stayed pretty much in one area, planting crops, building towns etc...and if you go to Central America/Mexico you see great stable societies who if they had firearms would easily have defeated the Europeans. Yes many of those societies committed atrocities but I would like to know how many folks were publicly buned, hanged or drawn and quartered in London, Paris, Madrid etc in the 16th thru 19th centuries...public executions drew huge crowds as entertainment. In my opinion the Europeans were not morally superior to the Native Americans at all....they simply had steel, gunpowder and horses. I wish I had a dollar for every person who has lost their life due to Christianity.
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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That is an outright lie. Lincoln saw no combat in the Black Hawk War and killed no Indians. Where did you come up with that nonsense, some screwball neo-Confederate website?
No, a newspaper published in a small town in Illinois near where the Sachs and Fox were encamped.

In spite of your ill-informed belief, Lincoln did fight in the Black Hawk Wars.

From the list of Black Hawk War veterans:

LINCOLN, ABRAHAM CPT A LINCOLN RICHLAND 4 WHITESIDE

http://www.ilsos.gov/GenealogyMWeb/BlackhawkSearchServlet (broken link)

So bite one.
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Old 08-18-2008, 11:42 PM
 
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"the only good Indian is a dead Indian" President Andrew Jackson

If the president of our nation would be quoted saying something like that then I think it shows that at some point there was either a direct campaign to kill indigenous people or at the very least a sentiment that would be tolerant of it.
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Old 08-19-2008, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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"the only good Indian is a dead Indian" President Andrew Jackson

If the president of our nation would be quoted saying something like that then I think it shows that at some point there was either a direct campaign to kill indigenous people or at the very least a sentiment that would be tolerant of it.
So then why didn't the US drive out the dozens of native American tribes who still reside on their ancestral lands in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York, Connecticut, Taxachew****s, Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey?

Part of the campaign of propaganda and disinformation here is in the continual use of the very disingenuous term "native American."

In doing so, it suggests a single entity, instead of truthfully admitting that there are some 616 tribal groups (not counting Alaska) of which only 40 to 50 came into conflict with the US.

It's hard to scream genocide when conflict exists with only 8% of all tribes (and less than 1% if Alaska is counted).
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:01 PM
 
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The fact remains that the Indians answered brutality with brutality. The main reason the Jewish people were nearly exterminated was because they were duped into believing if they did what they were told they would survive. So they did not fight back as a group until it was to late. And there may be a number of Indians left alive today. There are also a number of Jews left alive today. That doesn't change the fact that they were reduced to a fraction of their original numbers by hatred and war. And as far as the brutality of the Indians goes, it is a well-known misconception that the Indians were the original scalpers. Well, any student of REAL history knows that scalping was started by the white men. They were paid a bounty for every Indian scalp they turned in. They bashed in babies heads while they lie screaming in their baskets. They raped and murdered the women and systematically slaughtered any Indian encampment they came across that was not in direct conformity of the invading enemy. They stole the very land they lived on out from under them and forced them on small reservations to live like cattle. They destroyed the natural food sources the Indians relied on then forced them into unfair food contracts that were almost never honored. Europeans acted dishonorably throughout the entire sordid affair and may well have completely exterminated the Native American people had they not so vigorously resisted. And there lies your difference between the Jews and the Indians. The Indians fought back from the start, while the Jewish people were fooled into submission and by the time they really knew what was happening, it was to late for any kind of real fight. But luckily, there were good people throughout the world who found this travesty inexcusable and acted to prevent the total annihilation of the Jewish people. The Indians had no such help, they just fought for their people and when there was no way left to fight, they bowed out for the sake of saving at least a few of their kind. Stop trying to draw lines in the sand that wash away with every new wave. It happened, so deal with it and stop making excuses for it.
Your ignorance is staggering.
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Duluth
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Angry Definition of genocide

The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 and was derived from the Greek word genos, which means tribe or race, and the Latin word cide which is commonly found in words such as homicide, infanticide, and fratricide. Lemkin defined the term in two different ways: (1) "the practice of extermination of nations and ethnic groups as carried out by invaders" and (2) "[the] destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor." Currently, "genocide" is commonly defined as "acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." Because the United States had a direct role in perpetrating genocidal acts against Native Americans, it must be held accountable for these acts.
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Duluth
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Angry Definition of genocide

The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 and was derived from the Greek word genos, which means tribe or race, and the Latin word cide, which is commonly found in words such as homicide, infanticide, and fratricide. In his first enunciation of "genocide," Lemkin defined the term in two different ways: (1) "the practice of extermination of nations and ethnic groups as carried out by invaders" and (2) "[the] destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor." Currently, "genocide" is commonly defined as "acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." . Because the United States had a direct role in perpetrating genocidal acts against Native Americans, it must be held accountable for these acts.
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Old 08-21-2008, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 and was derived from the Greek word genos, which means tribe or race, and the Latin word cide which is commonly found in words such as homicide, infanticide, and fratricide. Lemkin defined the term in two different ways: (1) "the practice of extermination of nations and ethnic groups as carried out by invaders" and (2) "[the] destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor." Currently, "genocide" is commonly defined as "acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." Because the United States had a direct role in perpetrating genocidal acts against Native Americans, it must be held accountable for these acts.
And how would exact your revenge -- I mean, what would you propose be done to address the commission of acts in the past by people no longer alive?
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Old 08-21-2008, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin in 1944 and was derived from the Greek word genos, which means tribe or race, and the Latin word cide, which is commonly found in words such as homicide, infanticide, and fratricide. In his first enunciation of "genocide," Lemkin defined the term in two different ways: (1) "the practice of extermination of nations and ethnic groups as carried out by invaders" and (2) "[the] destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor." Currently, "genocide" is commonly defined as "acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." . Because the United States had a direct role in perpetrating genocidal acts against Native Americans, it must be held accountable for these acts.
Those are subjective definitions, not objective. While you can't name a single native American tribe that was exterminated by the US, there are several native American tribes exterminated by native Americans. What do you intend to do about that?
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Duluth
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Who said anything about "exacting revenge"? I mentioned no revenge. It would serve no purpose really. What makes sense to me would be the government paying the money they owe native american tribes for the lands that they stole. OR maybe reparations for the thousands of children that died while supposedly in their care in the institutions/concentration camps known as Christian boarding schools, where they were kidnapped, tortured, sexually abused and killed. The effects of these boarding schools are still felt today. Generations later. It is true, you cannot make reparations to those who have long since died at the hands of a vile corrupt government, but you can ensure that their survivors have a chance to help themselves. The government always cries that they don't have any money, but has anyone looked at the millions it wastes every day? Buried in the Dept. of the Treasury's 2003 Financial Report of the U.S. Gov't is a short section titled "Unreconciled Transactions Affecting the Change in Net Position," which explains that these unreconciled transactions totaled 24.5 billion. Where did that money go?
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