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Old 08-02-2008, 11:03 PM
 
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I am sorry to hear about your wife...
Our schools are at maximun capacity,,, are about 1/3 of students go to study outside the US(Mexico, caribbean) because our schools dont take them... and you think that americans are not going int he medical field
Well then what is the reason for so many foreign doctors in our best hospitals? Don't those who study outside simply have to take the "foreign exam" and practice here? The most difficult part of the foreign is the English language and not the subject matter many doctors have said. Where are our doctors going to practice then? Just asking.

There us also the big business of bring nurses from the Philippines. The mother of one of my students makes very good money recruiting these nurses. Why don't we have more Americans in this area. I am not complaining nor criticizing non-American medical personnel. All of those who served us did great work and I am greatly indebted to them, I am just wondering why the necessity for so many people from overseas.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:35 AM
 
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Well then what is the reason for so many foreign doctors in our best hospitals?
Almost all americans open their private office(more money)

Don't those who study outside simply have to take the "foreign exam" and practice here?
No, we dont have a foreign exam... Every doctor in the US have to take the USMLE Step 1, Step 2, and Step 3, and they have to do residency here in the US, NO outside residency is accepted. Meaning that surgeon did 4 years of residency here in the US.

The most difficult part of the foreign is the English language and not the subject matter many doctors have said.
that is true,,

Where are our doctors going to practice then? Just asking.
Somes hospital, most private...

There us also the big business of bring nurses from the Philippines. The mother of one of my students makes very good money recruiting these nurses.
Somes hospital give sing in bonus just like military, this could be 5,000 to 25,000 dollars. The americans dont want to do this kinda of work...Kinda like the mexicans taking unwanted work

Why don't we have more Americans in this area.
Is a hard job, and it doesnt pay(actually it does pay,,,about 55k to 85k, but most of them after a few years to into medical school)

I am not complaining nor criticizing non-American medical personnel. All of those who served us did great work and I am greatly indebted to them, I am just wondering why the necessity for so many people from overseas.
I hope I have answered your question.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:40 AM
 
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Yes you have answered my questions excellently. Thank you. Big rep for you cjma79
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Old 08-03-2008, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Here's what I would propose:

Let the Federal Government start a Health Insurance program (much like Fed Employees have). Establish various plans - various premiums. A program for those financially strapped can be created and these individuals can apply for this program (gov't picking up the tab)

Let the Private Sector continue with their Health Insurance program(s). Let them establish competitive plans and rates. Let the private sector develop health plans for those who are financially strapped. If someone would RATHER have the private sector plan, they can get a grant from the federal government equivalent to the premium established by the Feds for this program to pay for the private plan.

NO ONE shall be FORCED to have health insurance of any kind. NO ONE shall be FORCED to PAY for insurance they do not want.

States will be asked to modify their individual state laws to eliminate the Pre-existing condition exclusion. Public / Private insurance carriers can charge an additional premium for pre existing conditions but, that would be severely capped.

The program for those financially strapped shall be a basic health care program with a catastrophic medical rider.
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Old 08-03-2008, 04:59 PM
 
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Here's what I would propose:

Let the Federal Government start a Health Insurance program (much like Fed Employees have). Establish various plans - various premiums. A program for those financially strapped can be created and these individuals can apply for this program (gov't picking up the tab)

Let the Private Sector continue with their Health Insurance program(s). Let them establish competitive plans and rates. Let the private sector develop health plans for those who are financially strapped. If someone would RATHER have the private sector plan, they can get a grant from the federal government equivalent to the premium established by the Feds for this program to pay for the private plan.

NO ONE shall be FORCED to have health insurance of any kind. NO ONE shall be FORCED to PAY for insurance they do not want.

States will be asked to modify their individual state laws to eliminate the Pre-existing condition exclusion. Public / Private insurance carriers can charge an additional premium for pre existing conditions but, that would be severely capped.

The program for those financially strapped shall be a basic health care program with a catastrophic medical rider.
that can be done,, and I think it can be done legally without any major change in our constitution if any...
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Let's use Norway as a guide. Their system works great. They also have one of the highest standards of living in the world. Let's figure out why their system works, and ours doesn't. One hint, their doctors don't make near as much as doctors in the US. Another hint, you can't sue for malpractice there. Another hint, they don't let just anybody come in and practice medicine there. That's a start.
OK, let's use Norway as a guide. There are all sorts of nice, federally mandated concessions for injury, sick leave, maternity, paternity, etc. etc. ad nauseum, no one has anything to fear from losing his or her job and the healthcare system does an excellent job of getting everyone's ailments examined and a fair-to-good job when surgical procedures are required. The trade-off is that 50% of the gross income of every working person in Norway does not pass go, does not collect $200 dollars, but goes directly to the government. Period. This is a socialist welfare state and it is fundamentally different from the United States in terms of it's economy. That's not going to happen here without a real fight, like the kind with bullets.

Another poster stated that "taxes would not increase with universal healthcare." Bull-butter. I don't care what estimate from what source said that, to provide every citizen with free medical care is an absolutely astounding expense. There is no way that isn't coming out of your pocket at the end of the day.
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:18 PM
 
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opposed to all forms of Communism.
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:30 PM
 
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opposed to all forms of Communism.
Communism, like Nietzsche, is dead You'd better worry more about fascism. It's much more of a real possibility.
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:54 PM
 
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opposed to all forms of Communism.
music to my ears
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:55 PM
 
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Communism, like Nietzsche, is dead You'd better worry more about fascism. It's much more of a real possibility.
communism and fascism are extremely similar...
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