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Mofford: Straight forward question to you - I hope you will answer it:
Assuming a UHC/UHI scheme comes to the US - would you, if you were in charge, would you allow people to "Opt Out" - and not take the government plan and not pay into it?
Um, let me see here, the doctor or his employer buys the malpractice insurance and a little green ferry from mars pays it.
No, the doctor or the hospital pays it with the medical insurance money... not the patient....
Either that or he passes it on bill as part of his/hospital fee.
NO,, that is what you are not getting,, hospital and/or doctors dont choose the fees, the health insurance decides the fee.... I am a doctor,, and I open an office,, and I sign a contract with X health company, THAT CONTRACT decides my payment...
Which in turn gets passed on to the insurance company whom then passes it to your employer or your private insurance.
It doesnt work that way... again is just a lack of knowledge
[quote=cjma79;4698043]NO,, that is what you are not getting,, hospital and/or doctors dont choose the fees, the health insurance decides the fee.... I am a doctor,, and I open an office,, and I sign a contract with X health company, THAT CONTRACT decides my payment...
You guys can play 3 card monty all you want with the expenses, it ALL comes back to us in the form of insurance payments, or taxes to pay for the poor's healthcare.
You guys can play 3 card monty all you want with the expenses, it ALL comes back to us in the form of insurance payments, or taxes to pay for the poor's healthcare.
Are you going to answer my question Mofford?
Would you let people "Opt Out" of your system and not pay into it?
NO,, that is what you are not getting,, hospital and/or doctors dont choose the fees, the health insurance decides the fee.... I am a doctor,, and I open an office,, and I sign a contract with X health company, THAT CONTRACT decides my payment...
You guys can play 3 card monty all you want with the expenses, it ALL comes back to us in the form of insurance payments, or taxes to pay for the poor's healthcare.
you still dont get it...
Any expense in any company comes from the client/patient... why would not be the same in the medical field..
Mofford: Straight forward question to you - I hope you will answer it:
Assuming a UHC/UHI scheme comes to the US - would you, if you were in charge, would you allow people to "Opt Out" - and not take the government plan and not pay into it?
It wont be a "scheme" if its done right. Using the japanese system as a model, I would have to say no, everyone must pay in but for the dirt poor. Thats what makes the system work and keeps the payments low for everyone. I would imagine that we would want to spend a little more than japan does, to keep the hospitals/doctors in better shape. But keep in mind that japan has way more hospitals per capita than anywhere in the world.
It wont be a "scheme" if its done right. Using the japanese system as a model, I would have to say no, everyone must pay in but for the dirt poor. Thats what makes the system work and keeps the payments low for everyone. I would imagine that we would want to spend a little more than japan does, to keep the hospitals/doctors in better shape. But keep in mind that japan has way more hospitals per capita than anywhere in the world.
First, the word "scheme" means Plan - it is part of the English language
Thank you for answering my question first of all:
Now, how are you going to enforce everyone paying into such a system? We have a significant underground economy already in this country -
If someone does not pay in - will you deny them healthcare?
What if they show up at a hospital / doctor and don't have a "government" card? Will they be turned away? Arrested?
What if an American flat out does not want to be FORCED to pay for something they do not want?
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