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Old 10-01-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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I think while both definitely got a very short stick compared to the white settlers, the clear loser of them all was the Indians.

Slavery is horrible, and we should be ashamed as a nation of allowing it, but it's not as bad as genocide. When you're enslaved, you can still hope to be freed, sing, have a family, enjoy nature, and know you'll have a legacy (which blacks do in this country and Native Americans don't).

The Indians were basically exterminated like rodents. Could you imagine strangers from another continent telling you your way of life sucked, and you had to believe in their God, and follow their lifestyle, or die? If you DID do this, you still might die. White people embraced African American culture, and it's strong to this day, especially in music where it DOMINATES outside of rock. What do the Indians have? Place names? Casinos? Chapters in history books? That's about it. They're foreigners in their own land to people who are themselves foreigners from the other half of the world.

The only reason blacks are seen as being more oppressed is because they lived to tell about their plight. The Native Americans don't even get that privilege.
The Indians killed a lot of white settlers. Innocent women and children. Maybe if the Indians would have been more humane in their approach to the Euros they would have been treated better.

It was a brutal time.

As far as the African slaves--none of us can really judge the people for what they did back then. The Africans actually rounded up their own people and sold them to Americans. It was just a way of life back then for them. Look at the way they still live 400 years later. Kidnapping for money is an accepted means of income. It's absolutely ridiculous to judge anything from that era by today's standards.

 
Old 02-09-2014, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I'll be blunt. I'd much rather be killed off than made to live a life as someone's property.

Exactly.
 
Old 02-09-2014, 05:16 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I would have to go with the group slaughtered to near-extermination...
 
Old 02-09-2014, 06:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Afro Americans got it worse them because they could not move around at all. Indians certainly have it worse now because there plight has not changed much in the last 100 years. One had his land stolen while the other was brought here to work it. Both were crimes but as a Afro Americans I have to say the indians have had it worse than me when you look at the whole picture.
"the indians have had it worse than me when you look at the whole picture."???????

Crimes in retrospect.

Slavery was conducted by most countries with Africans selling Africans to the highest bidder as Africans typically made slaves of competing tribes and was a normal way of life.
 
Old 02-09-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
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Well who's exterminating who today? The past is a lesson learned and I think we did learn from it. Finger pointing about something that nobody alive today had anything to do with is pointless.

The question again, is who is doing who wrong TODAY. As I see it, blacks are killing blacks, accepted gang culture is raping their own of their own rights and opportunities.

Funny how every black activist comes out and sticks their face all over the news when one black guy is shot down at a gas station by a white, but ignore, won't say and word and will deny that fact that 52 black people killed at the hands of other black people in America on the same day. And that happens every day in America.

Some black people are becoming brave enough to speak out about their own problems, but they are far and few between. Finger pointing and blame is much easier.

Black people can do anything they want to do and become anything they want to become in America today. Yeah, sure, they do still have obstacles to overcome to be considered fully equal in the eyes of many and that is sad, but if you're black in American today and you want something? well, go and get it. Only you can stop yourself.
 
Old 02-09-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: California
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Default Who got it worse in early America - African Americans or Native Americans?

Native Americans hands down
 
Old 02-09-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Originally Posted by iPwn View Post
I think while both definitely got a very short stick compared to the white settlers, the clear loser of them all was the Indians.

Slavery is horrible, and we should be ashamed as a nation of allowing it, but it's not as bad as genocide. When you're enslaved, you can still hope to be freed, sing, have a family, enjoy nature, and know you'll have a legacy (which blacks do in this country and Native Americans don't).

The Indians were basically exterminated like rodents. Could you imagine strangers from another continent telling you your way of life sucked, and you had to believe in their God, and follow their lifestyle, or die? If you DID do this, you still might die. White people embraced African American culture, and it's strong to this day, especially in music where it DOMINATES outside of rock. What do the Indians have? Place names? Casinos? Chapters in history books? That's about it. They're foreigners in their own land to people who are themselves foreigners from the other half of the world.

The only reason blacks are seen as being more oppressed is because they lived to tell about their plight. The Native Americans don't even get that privilege.
Stupid question, one group was enslaved for some time, and the other were victims of Genocide.
 
Old 02-09-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Native Americans hands down
Maybe that was karma.....for the racially motivated genocide of the Hopewell and Adena.

Glass houses and stones don't go so well together....


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