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I believe the African-Americans had it much worse than the Native-Americans did. Since the end of time, man has always killed for the conquest of land. We are as human believe that we need to own more than what we are willing to pay. First, the Native-Americans were able to shoot back and went out to terrorize the white man, so they were able to fight back. African-Americans were not and were made to wear chains and were beaten and their dignity was taken away without a way to defend themselves. They are also having to fight for equal opportunity in the work place and still get discrimination down in the south states. Even after the Civil Rights movement were tricked into not voting. So I think the African-Americans had it worse...they were treated like dogs or a pet and if they didn't do as we said, were killed, beaten, their children were taken away and sold to other white people. Native Americans were able to come to an agreement with the American whites to continue fighting or to give up. They choose to give up. The white man went to war to free the slaves only to see them in bondage with unequality.
That in no way justifies slavery. But I think if you put it into perspective in such a way, the Native Americans have fared off worse than the African Americans.
Nothing can justify slavery.
Not all of Africa is what you see on TV - I have been there several times - the majority of tourist there are white european sunny on beaches etc - why is that
You have to go back and look at history objectively to see why Africa is in the shape it is - you have to look at the folks who came to Africa in the 1300's and changed a way of life just because it was not there way of life
People went to Africa and took over (UK, France,Italy, etc) hundreds of years ago - they raped the land (gold,diamonds,etc) corrupted governments - forced people to give up thier religions on...and on - thus what you have today - it did not happen overnight
I know several folks white and black that have moved to Africa and love it there
I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that AA's have it better today because of slavery - and I do not think you can say the Natives or Slave situation was worse then the other - they were both atrocities!!!!
I think while both definitely got a very short stick compared to the white settlers, the clear loser of them all was the Indians.
Slavery is horrible, and we should be ashamed as a nation of allowing it, but it's not as bad as genocide. When you're enslaved, you can still hope to be freed, sing, have a family, enjoy nature, and know you'll have a legacy (which blacks do in this country and Native Americans don't).
The Indians were basically exterminated like rodents. Could you imagine strangers from another continent telling you your way of life sucked, and you had to believe in their God, and follow their lifestyle, or die? If you DID do this, you still might die. White people embraced African American culture, and it's strong to this day, especially in music where it DOMINATES outside of rock. What do the Indians have? Place names? Casinos? Chapters in history books? That's about it. They're foreigners in their own land to people who are themselves foreigners from the other half of the world.
The only reason blacks are seen as being more oppressed is because they lived to tell about their plight. The Native Americans don't even get that privilege.
First, understand I don't think you intentionally meant to do this, but don't pit Native Americans against African Americans. Each has a unique history. Additionally, there are nearly 600 sovereign Tribal Nations still in the U.S. Some have reservations, some have checker-boarded trust lands and some don't have a land base left. But.....
We are STILL here! While the U.S. did indeed attempt extermination and genocide, both physical and cultural, it was a FAILURE. Did we lose a lot? Yes, we did. However, the cultural genocide that the U.S. attempted failed. In one sense we were victims of genocide. In another sense we are quite evolutionary fit. How else can one explain the survival of over 500 years of U.S. policy to 'kill the Indian to save the man"? Speaking only for myself, I'm NOT a victim. My dad, and our ancestors survived every last thing the U.S. threw at them to try and exterminate us. We are still here.
I don't know where you live, or where you were educated, but it failed you, because there are many Native Americans still living, speaking our languages, and practicing our culture. Do we live in a modern society? Yes, but we also live in our Native world.
All of the tribes and the Alaskan Natives are a part of American history, but we are not only history.
African Americans are also survivors of atrocities that should NEVER have been committed against another living being, let alone a human! They too, survived. You know why? Because they are strong and enduring people!
Wherever it is you're coming from......stop. This is your game not ours, and do not try to pit one ethnic group of people against another ethnic group of people. We are each unique.
First, understand I don't think you intentionally meant to do this, but don't pit Native Americans against African Americans. Each has a unique history. Additionally, there are nearly 600 sovereign Tribal Nations still in the U.S. Some have reservations, some have checker-boarded trust lands and some don't have a land base left. But.....
We are STILL here! While the U.S. did indeed attempt extermination and genocide, both physical and cultural, it was a FAILURE. Did we lose a lot? Yes, we did. However, the cultural genocide that the U.S. attempted failed. In one sense we were victims of genocide. In another sense we are quite evolutionary fit. How else can one explain the survival of over 500 years of U.S. policy to 'kill the Indian to save the man"? Speaking only for myself, I'm NOT a victim. My dad, and our ancestors survived every last thing the U.S. threw at them to try and exterminate us. We are still here.
I don't know where you live, or where you were educated, but it failed you, because there are many Native Americans still living, speaking our languages, and practicing our culture. Do we live in a modern society? Yes, but we also live in our Native world.
All of the tribes and the Alaskan Natives are a part of American history, but we are not only history.
African Americans are also survivors of atrocities that should NEVER have been committed against another living being, let alone a human! They too, survived. You know why? Because they are strong and enduring people!
Wherever it is you're coming from......stop. This is your game not ours, and do not try to pit one ethnic group of people against another ethnic group of people. We are each unique.
First, understand I don't think you intentionally meant to do this, but don't pit Native Americans against African Americans. Each has a unique history. Additionally, there are nearly 600 sovereign Tribal Nations still in the U.S. Some have reservations, some have checker-boarded trust lands and some don't have a land base left. But.....
We are STILL here! While the U.S. did indeed attempt extermination and genocide, both physical and cultural, it was a FAILURE. Did we lose a lot? Yes, we did. However, the cultural genocide that the U.S. attempted failed. In one sense we were victims of genocide. In another sense we are quite evolutionary fit. How else can one explain the survival of over 500 years of U.S. policy to 'kill the Indian to save the man"? Speaking only for myself, I'm NOT a victim. My dad, and our ancestors survived every last thing the U.S. threw at them to try and exterminate us. We are still here.
I don't know where you live, or where you were educated, but it failed you, because there are many Native Americans still living, speaking our languages, and practicing our culture. Do we live in a modern society? Yes, but we also live in our Native world.
All of the tribes and the Alaskan Natives are a part of American history, but we are not only history.
African Americans are also survivors of atrocities that should NEVER have been committed against another living being, let alone a human! They too, survived. You know why? Because they are strong and enduring people!
Wherever it is you're coming from......stop. This is your game not ours, and do not try to pit one ethnic group of people against another ethnic group of people. We are each unique.
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I think while both definitely got a very short stick compared to the white settlers, the clear loser of them all was the Indians.
Slavery is horrible, and we should be ashamed as a nation of allowing it, but it's not as bad as genocide. When you're enslaved, you can still hope to be freed, sing, have a family, enjoy nature, and know you'll have a legacy (which blacks do in this country and Native Americans don't).
The Indians were basically exterminated like rodents. Could you imagine strangers from another continent telling you your way of life sucked, and you had to believe in their God, and follow their lifestyle, or die? If you DID do this, you still might die. White people embraced African American culture, and it's strong to this day, especially in music where it DOMINATES outside of rock. What do the Indians have? Place names? Casinos? Chapters in history books? That's about it. They're foreigners in their own land to people who are themselves foreigners from the other half of the world.
The only reason blacks are seen as being more oppressed is because they lived to tell about their plight. The Native Americans don't even get that privilege.
I'm a little biased, but when you think of the millions of indigenous peoples that lived in this country in the 1500s, and what percentage make up the US population today, and the fact that some of those people were also sold into slavery, I don't think there is much comparison.
I'm a little biased, but when you think of the millions of indigenous peoples that lived in this country in the 1500s, and what percentage make up the US population today, and the fact that some of those people were also sold into slavery, I don't think there is much comparison.
the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a "vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of California, Berkeley; native Americans had undergone the "worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr., "there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."
native people were enslaved aswell throughout noth central and south america. Enslaved, had Land Stolen, were Issolated to reservations with no chance of leaving, population, culture, traditions and religion crippled and practically exterminated. Plus they were givin the right to vote after women and african americans had the right to vote. and in Canada they wern't given the right to vote untill 1960!
Like Chris Rock said, "no one had it worse than the American Indian. When was the last time you saw a Native American family just chilling at Red Lobster?"
I'm a little biased, but when you think of the millions of indigenous peoples that lived in this country in the 1500s, and what percentage make up the US population today, and the fact that some of those people were also sold into slavery, I don't think there is much comparison.
Being sold into slavery is no excuse. Doesn't make slavery right, which is what you're trying to justify in a roundabout kind of way.
Besides, genocide or fratricide is never excusable just because you collaborated with willing participants. Is the Holocaust OK just because their fellow whites put them into concentration camps? Didn't many Indians collaborate with whites against other tribes?
Yea, you're biased all right.
Anyway, i don't want to be pitted against Indians as to who suffered worse. What difference does it make now?
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