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Old 10-19-2008, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.

The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:15 AM
 
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This video is a great example. Shot in the rural South. Look at all the poor whites lined up for charity healthcare. Sadly, the GOP has been able to play on cultual divides in the USA to confuse the issues and keep Americans from voting in their own interests.


YouTube - 60 Minutes - Remote Area Medical
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:52 AM
 
Location: los angeles
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It's called the "Southern Strategy" that Nixon implemented & Rove manipulated. Instilling fear in people already brainwashed by evangelical hate creates strange bedfellows. These poor folks are so dumb as to oppose opportunity for themselves in favor of ignorant "cultural" issues

And the reason why the GOP is disintegrating before our very eyes [good riddance.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:02 AM
 
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Actually, they said in the video that it was Knoxville. That is a pretty big city which makes it even worse.

Anyhow, things for the link I never knew about this organization.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:10 AM
 
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Actually, they said in the video that it was Knoxville. That is a pretty big city which makes it even worse.

Anyhow, things for the link I never knew about this organization.
You're welcome. I just watched it again. It had been a long time.

This man, just by his deeds and measured words shames anybody that would promote GOP ideology on healthcare in the US.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:37 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.

The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?
What are my best interests?

I don't consider expanding welfare my best interest. I don't consider Social Security or Medicare my best interest. I don't consider the myriad earmarks I read about on the Citizens Against Government Waste website in my best interest. I don't consider limiting nuclear power or limiting oil exploration in our country in my best interest. I don't consider forcing kids to go to a public school over a voucher school in my best interest. I don't consider expanding "college" to everyone so that it justs gets watered down to accommodate every idiot without a nickel to attend. I don't consider unions having any favorable treatment in my best interest. I don't consider people telling me that if I have a daughter, she'll have to have a vaccine for an STD in my best interest. I don't consider the trial lawyers having favorable treatment in my best interest. I don't consider greater consolidation of power in the federal government in my best interest because power over my life is diluted from 1/5M to 1/300M.

What I do consider to be my best interest, however, is having as much of my income as possible rather than having to answer to a bureaucrat for assistance because I didn't make enough after taxes to support myself.

So, please, please, explain how the libs are looking out for my best interest.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:49 AM
 
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What are my best interests?

I don't consider expanding welfare my best interest. I don't consider Social Security or Medicare my best interest. I don't consider the myriad earmarks I read about on the Citizens Against Government Waste website in my best interest. I don't consider limiting nuclear power or limiting oil exploration in our country in my best interest. I don't consider forcing kids to go to a public school over a voucher school in my best interest. I don't consider expanding "college" to everyone so that it justs gets watered down to accommodate every idiot without a nickel to attend. I don't consider unions having any favorable treatment in my best interest. I don't consider people telling me that if I have a daughter, she'll have to have a vaccine for an STD in my best interest. I don't consider the trial lawyers having favorable treatment in my best interest. I don't consider greater consolidation of power in the federal government in my best interest because power over my life is diluted from 1/5M to 1/300M.

What I do consider to be my best interest, however, is having as much of my income as possible rather than having to answer to a bureaucrat for assistance because I didn't make enough after taxes to support myself.

So, please, please, explain how the libs are looking out for my best interest.
I think you need to look beyond what is good for "my interests". This involves not thinking of me, me , me....whats good for "ME".

But looking at it for yourself AND those around you.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:58 AM
 
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I think you need to look beyond what is good for "my interests". This involves not thinking of me, me , me....whats good for "ME".

But looking at it for yourself AND those around you.
Okay. That's easy, because I support Locke's position, in "Second Treatise of Government", that if I want to be treated a certain way, I should treat others in the same way. Rather than imposing my values on others, via the force of government, I prefer to live and let live. So, here goes...

I don't consider expanding welfare in society's best interest. I don't consider Social Security or Medicare in society's best interest. I don't consider the myriad earmarks I read about on the Citizens Against Government Waste website in society's best interest. I don't consider limiting nuclear power or limiting oil exploration in our country in society's best interest. I don't consider forcing kids to go to a public school over a voucher school in society's best interest. I don't consider expanding "college" to everyone so that it justs gets watered down to accommodate every idiot without a nickel to attend to be in society's best interest. I don't consider unions having any favorable treatment in society's best interest. I don't consider people telling me that if I have a daughter, she'll have to have a vaccine for an STD in society's best interest. I don't consider the trial lawyers having favorable treatment in society's best interest. I don't consider greater consolidation of power in the federal government in society's best interest because power over each of our lives is diluted from, in many states, 1/5M to 1/300M.

What I do consider to be in society's best interest, however, is citizens having as much of their income as possible rather than having to answer to a bureaucrat for assistance because they didn't make enough after taxes to support themselves.
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:02 AM
 
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Okay. That's easy, because I support Locke's position, in "Second Treatise of Government", that if I want to be treated a certain way, I should treat others in the same way. Rather than imposing my values on others, via the force of government, I prefer to live and let live. So, here goes...

I don't consider expanding welfare in society's best interest. I don't consider Social Security or Medicare in society's best interest. I don't consider the myriad earmarks I read about on the Citizens Against Government Waste website in society's best interest. I don't consider limiting nuclear power or limiting oil exploration in our country in society's best interest. I don't consider forcing kids to go to a public school over a voucher school in society's best interest. I don't consider expanding "college" to everyone so that it justs gets watered down to accommodate every idiot without a nickel to attend to be in society's best interest. I don't consider unions having any favorable treatment in society's best interest. I don't consider people telling me that if I have a daughter, she'll have to have a vaccine for an STD in society's best interest. I don't consider the trial lawyers having favorable treatment in society's best interest. I don't consider greater consolidation of power in the federal government in society's best interest because power over each of our lives is diluted from, in many states, 1/5M to 1/300M.

What I do consider to be in society's best interest, however, is citizens having as much of their income as possible rather than having to answer to a bureaucrat for assistance because they didn't make enough after taxes to support themselves.

Gosh, I disagree with about everything you said. I'm on the other side of the fence. Me and the majority of Americans.

Hey I know! Let's vote about in November and whoever wins can go about doing it their way??

Do you have any earthly idea where your side will win a seat???? .....Anywhere in America will you take over a Dem seat???

Wouldn't that sort of indicate how much support your "survival of the fittest" ideology has???
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:22 AM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.

The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?
You're absolutely right!!! That's what I've been telling people at work who are lower down the food chain for years.

The Republican's have relied on 'wedge' issues like: gay marriage, gun ownership, who's patriotic/who's not, fears of socialism... to pit us against each other on social issues, while at the same time they create economic policy that benefits the very richest and screws the average working person.

The Bush recovery -which ended in 2007 -is the first on record where the average American's real income (adjusted for inflation) was lower than at the peak of the prior economic recovery.

I tell my co-workers, who complain about the company's health plan, that if McCain is elected, they probably won't have to worry about the company plan - it won't exist any longer. They can then try to get good family coverage for a paltry $5000 (then I tell them that the company policy currently costs about $13,000!!!).

I think this year, the divide and conquer strategy is going to fall short.

People are finally realizing that this Bush economy has only benefited those at the very top. Everyone else has lost. Real wages in 2007 were lower now than they were in 2001. The data doesn't include 2008 yet, but it's a no brainer that incomes went down or stayed flat in 2008.
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