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You may see it that way, but I bet they don't see it that way. I bet they would get more angry and red faced from seeing efforts in their state to legalize gay marriage than hearing of getting laid off or getting their health insurance canceled. They see the Republicans protecting them from gay marriage more important to their values them any Democrat interest in improving their health care or helping them get a better job.
That the problem with liberal democrats they think only of their OWN good. Noth9ng about teh country as a whole. Kind of a new slogan. Ask not waht you can do for your country but waht your country can do for you.
I am dissappointed in myself that I read your post and answered your charges as I read.
If I had known that you were a lying lunatic evidenced by these last lines I would not have wasted my time.
Have a nice day!
Yes, this person you're referring to ought to move to Oklahoma at least long enough to help wild homophobe Sally Kern out in getting reelected as state representative. One thing that Sally is very upset about is that a homosexual is running for the state wide office of Corporation Commission. She could use some help with that, too. Because as an audience at the debate between the two running for state corporation commissioner she stood right up and look at that homosexual and declared:
"The ends justify the means. We will do what ever it takes to make sure that man is not elected. "
What are the characteristics of those who don't benefit from Republican rule?
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But the majority of people voting republican don't benefit from the policies, they would benefit more with democrats policies. That is a fact.
How would they benefit?
Come on, now. You started the thread. Let's see if you know what you're talking about or if you're just another adolescent child of a single mother pounding away the same nonsense she tells you.
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I don't care about your list of supposedly democratic policies that don't benefit you.
You should because preserving American freedom is your responsibility.
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But I do have to ask, since you like nuclear power so much do you mind if we build a nuclear power plant a mile from your house? Do you mind if we drill around your community? Its real easy to support these things if you don't have to deal with them.
I have no issue with it. When I lived in northern MI, we had pumps on side of the road and when I lived in southern MI, I lived not too far from Fermi.
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By the way, Vaccines are in societies best interest. They eliminate disease after all....
What's your point?
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Oh yes! Social programs are bad! See this list? It's a list of countries ranked by Standard of Living. The UN puts it out.
Why should I care that a national organization of politicians who care little about freedom because most of the bottom feeders in the world lack a culture to support it rank my lifestyle as less preferable to another?
What should I care that a bunch of America-haters doesn't rank America higher?
What should I care that a bunch of cultures prefer selling their liberty for comfort?
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Yeah, the majority of Americans want to be rich but of course the vast majority of them will never be rich. So, clearly it makes much more sense to vote for the guy that cuts taxes for someone you're unlikely to ever be.
The reason that makes sense is because the guy you're cutting taxes for isn't going to try screwing you in any other possible way-- like deflating the dollar or sending jobs out of the country-- in response to you raising taxes.
If you want freedom, you have to give freedom.
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The vaccine is for a transmittable virus. And vaccines are a matter of public health. Its not your right to spread disease.
Socialism/Communism advocates the severance of parental control over children.
Why are you a communist and why do you support oppression?
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Parents shouldn't have the right to not only put their children at risk for disease but further the spread of controllable diseases to others.
Why not? What do I owe you?
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Now, of course HPV isn't as dramatic as other diseases. Why a parent wouldn't want their kid to have the vaccine is beyond me though....
Because, if I raise my children poorly and they behave in such a way that they contract the disease, they may change their behavior before that behavior gets them something more serious.
Why should a parent have to defend their beliefs from your oppressive intentions?
Yep. All these countries ahead of us have universal healthcare and gobs of social programs. Remember that when some poor white GOPer is rambling on about how social programs just make things worse....LOL
Nixon, and scores of right wingers after him have taken gullible GOP middle class voters for a ride.
So move. The UN is another rediculous bunch of busybody losers we ought to let die.
Why is it you suppose that scores of people emmigrated FROM those countries TO ours? Because ours has much more opportunity if you WORK for it, to people with drive that by far outweighs the benefits of socialism.
But, like I said, grow a set like the people that come here for a better life & leave if you dont like it.
If the current republican party had to rely on the people that actually benefited from its policies they would never get elected. I think its rather interesting from a strategic point of view that they have gotten so many people to vote against their economic best interest by creating side issues that really don't matter to focus on instead.
The strategy has worked brilliantly, but its a bit surprising that it has worked so well. Why are so many people willing to vote against their best interest?
True, and I think that this is the year when it will stop working for them, for many reasons.
One of the MODs on C-D, in an old-line racist state, sent me a DM months ago to say that people in that state are idiots, that those fools make $9.00 an hour and vote GOP, even though the GOP does NOTHING for their lot in life. The GOP will not provide them any health care. The GOP will kill labor unions which might've raised their pay and living standards. But the yahoo's would rather vote for someone who whips up their anger with non-issues (like gay marriage) then use what little brains they have to vote in their best interests.
Vaccination should be the parent's decision. Period. You can require them for admission to public schools and whatnot - I'm fine with that - but whether or not a foreign substance gets injected into a child that is not your own is not, and shouldn't be, your decision.
I don't think the HPV vaccine should be forced. But the idea that all vaccines should be "up to the parents" is pretty weird. It not only puts the kids at risk it can put everyone at risk. You have a trade off you either limit a little freedom by forcing certain vaccines are you allow the existence of deadly diseases like smallpox etc. Having a free society doesn't mean people should be able to do whether the hell they want. Only that people should be free to do what they want so long as it doesn't adversely harm others.
So you think without the social programs, the black illegitimacy would not have risen? They would somehow have miraculously discovered how to avoid having children?
Do you not understand that a financial incentive like welfare works against people taking responsibility for themselves? Its not because they dont know how to not have kids & I'm surprised at the racism your comment exposes.
When more kids equals more expense people learn how to avoid having kids. When more kids means more cash it works the other way round.
How do you explain the skyrocketing illegitimacy and plummeting marriage rates among the poor, especially blacks, subsequent to Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty in the mid-sixties?
Didn't a sexual revolution take place (among all races) at about the same time? Is it possible that the rise in the number of illigitimate births might have been in part due to a rise in the number of instances of unmarried sexual intercourse?
What are the characteristics of those who don't benefit from Republican rule?
Economically, obvious people that are wealthy. Remember, I'm talking about what is in one's best interest economically speaking.
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Come on, now. You started the thread. Let's see if you know what you're talking about or if you're just another adolescent child of a single mother pounding away the same nonsense she tells you.
Wow, so you reduce yourself to insulting my mother...and yet call me adolescent. That is amusing. If I was to follow what my family did, I would vote republican. My family has been long time republicans on both sides.
Anyhow, they ways they'd benefit are obvious. Taxes would be cut for lower income families and raised on higher income families. It only takes a modest raise in the taxes of the wealthy to support decent sized tax cuts on lower income families. So call "trickle down economics" is just a fantasy, it never works. Democrats are also more likely to make health care available to lower income families. They are also more likely to support programs that help lower income families.
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You should because preserving American freedom is your responsibility.
Supporting your idea of "American freedom" is not my responsibility.
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What should I care that a bunch of cultures prefer selling their liberty for comfort?
European countries typically have more personal liberty not less. Our liberties have been shrinking since the country was founded, sorry you didn't once. This country was started secular and yet...now religion has found its way into all sorts of places. It is Americans that have lost their liberty.
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The reason that makes sense is because the guy you're cutting taxes for isn't going to try screwing you in any other possible way-- like deflating the dollar or sending jobs out of the country-- in response to you raising taxes.
Firstly, an individual can't deflate the dollar. Secondly, a US citizen is going to pay the same personal income tax whether they out-source their operations or not. Thirdly, we should end tax loop holes that favor out-sourcing. This is something the Republican party is largely against as it harms one of their major supporters (corporate interest).
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Why are you a communist and why do you support oppression?
I don't think communism is a dirty world, its an interesting political philosophy. But I'm not a communist. I always get a kick out "communism" is such a dirty world in America though. Of course that has its roots in America Aristocracy crapping their pants during the Bolshevik revolution.
Of course they use to black list and arrest people for supporting communist ideas. So much for American liberty......
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Why not? What do I owe you?
So, I should be allowed to drink under the influence, because I don't "owe" anybody anything. So what if I kill them, I don't owe them anything. People should be able to be as reckless as possible, because they don't "owe" each other anything. Yeah....great line of reasoning.
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