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I got this quote from another forum if I am allow to do this but couldn't have said it better myself.
"As I have stated here several times before, yes people claim to have witnessed homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom..... i have also witnessed animals eat their own feces, or their own vomit, and for that matter several animals eat their own offspring. Not exactly behavior I would think is acceptable in humans, so just because an animal does it ..... whats your point?" end of quote.
Also animals have no morality they are animals after all.
So we have two dogs at our house. Both are male.
Before the younger one was neutered, he started humping the older one. Of course, he humped the cat too, when he could.
Does that mean that our pup was a homosexual, and that neutering cured him of it? Or is it possible that it's completely irrelevant?
I have met and known a lot of gay people in my lifetime. I have yet to meet a gay person that was not molested during childhood or as a teen.
Disclaimer: I am not saying it happens to all gays/lesbians, but that has always been what I have been told by every single one of them.
I have plenty of straight female friends who were molested as children.
I hate that some people assume I am a lesbian because I was raped and molested as a child. Even before this happened, I knew I had stronger feelings for females than for males.
I understand you're not saying it happens to ALL gays or lesbians but I know plenty of heterosexual females who were sexually abused.
What about grown women who are raped? They don't all suddenly turn into lesbians.
so, who's gotten in your face lately concerning this lifestyle?
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Originally Posted by Awesomo.2000
I just don't care. I am not gay, nor do I care what two other dudes do behind closed doors. It does annoy me when homosexuals get in your face about their sexuality.
isn't it funny mscconne if you don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle then it is hate speech? They use words like weapons over and over, words like bigot, hate speech, etc. They must paint us with a broad brush that we hate and they have love. It is a big lie! The truth is twisted. In reality their lifestyle is not only harmful to them but to us in many ways. It does not stop in the bedroom they want to put on pornographic displays, they want to teach our children to be gay, they really do have an agenda. I have a new book called "The Agenda The Homosexual Plan To Change America by Rev. Louis P. Sheldon. I recommend that you and other get that book, it goes into great detail as to what their agenda really is. They will vehemently deny this and am sure they will accuses Rev Shelton of hate. There is also the Amercian Family Association, etc. Do search on the web for more information. We are in a battle in these last days between good and evil.
Have you ever considered the fact that you can have values and be a good person without being a Christain? You can be good without God. You can also include people who differ from you, it's okay.
Your entire argument is operating from a false premise. Get 'em young get 'em dumb, isn't going to teach children to be gay. Do you honestly think someone can teach you to be gay? Are you afraid someone on the forum will make you gay? You are either gay or you're not. I hope you didn't spend money on Rev. Shelton's book. Why is this topic so important to you?
I got this quote from another forum if I am allow to do this but couldn't have said it better myself.
"As I have stated here several times before, yes people claim to have witnessed homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom..... i have also witnessed animals eat their own feces, or their own vomit, and for that matter several animals eat their own offspring. Not exactly behavior I would think is acceptable in humans, so just because an animal does it ..... whats your point?" end of quote.
Also animals have no morality they are animals after all.
Given the history of the human animal (and we are animals--our DNA differs from that of chimpanzees by a mere 3%) I would say that our morality is shaky at best.
What other animal on Earth has contrived such a variety of ways in which it can demonstrate its own inhumanity to its fellow humans?
The majority of the animal kingdom doesn't kill for pleasure. They don't wage war. They don't abuse their young. They don't design weapons of mass destruction constructed to destroy as many of their own genus as possible. They also don't judge each other based on their own ideologies.
In the realm of morality, it would seem that human beings got the evolutionary short end of the stick.
I guess you attract an unusual group of friends and acquaintances.
It could be that, then again it could well be that the majority of homosexuals actually have been molested or experienced some other form of traumatization related to sex.
I have plenty of straight female friends who were molested as children.
I hate that some people assume I am a lesbian because I was raped and molested as a child. Even before this happened, I knew I had stronger feelings for females than for males.
I understand you're not saying it happens to ALL gays or lesbians but I know plenty of heterosexual females who were sexually abused.
What about grown women who are raped? They don't all suddenly turn into lesbians.
ANOTHER DISCLAIMER: I am not a psychologist or mental health professional. This is just my personal opinion:
Grown women who are heterosexual prior to being raped, while traumatized by the horror of it, probably exhibit other behaviors that result from it (i.e. paranoia, fear, distrust or sexual abstinence) that they did not possess prior to that event. But because their sexual preference was established and attractions were already formed/embedded prior to the trauma, it doesn't change. However, some do become lesbians as they deem women as being less likely to traumatize them emotionally and sexually.
Children on the other hand are impressionable and still in the process of sexual exploration, and development. If someone of the same sex molests them it is usually a trusted family member, friend, teacher or someone that they love, respect and look up to. IMHO because they are the most vulnerable to predators of all kinds (not just sexual) they are easier to convince that what they are doing and/or is being done to them is "normal or ok".
I had a homosexual brother who died from AIDS back in the 90's, and he was not molested. His sexual orientation became to be obvious during his teen years. There wasn't much of a male rolemodel in his life so maybe that contributed to it (but I don't believe so).
I have tried for years to come to terms with his lifestyle but always accepted him and took care of him in those final horrible months. I still, though, can't agree with homosexuality but I feel that individuals have a right to choose their own way of life as long as it is not hurting someone elses.
Why does one choose one way over another? Who knows, really.
Before the younger one was neutered, he started humping the older one. Of course, he humped the cat too, when he could.
Does that mean that our pup was a homosexual, and that neutering cured him of it? Or is it possible that it's completely irrelevant?
Very possible that it is completely irrelevant. This is one argument for homosexuality that should be viewed as intolerable to both straight and homosexual people. We as human beings were permenantly seperated from the animals when our brains evolved into cognitive thinking machines. Using the "animal instincts" of creatures below our mental capabilities to lend credibility to homosexual tendencies in humans is ludicrous. Animals run on instincts. Such as the instinct to survive and to breed. If a dog scents a female in season, he is liable to hump just about anything in range. I myself had to put one of my dogs down several years ago because he jumped on a little girl who was playing in my yard. He did not hurt her, but he was attracted to her because it turned out she had a female dog at home who was in heat. He smelled the scent, and instinct took over. And that is my point. We humans do not act on instinct. Ours have been dulled by our evolved brains. So the animal argument is completely ridiculous.
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I am not a psychologist or mental health professional. This is just my personal opinion:
