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These people do not seem to be able to separate church and state. It is a government issue here - not a religious one. NO church has to marry gays - but, gays constitutionally should have the same rights as straights to marry. Religion has nothing to do with it.
And, what's the problem with redefining "marriage"? Doesn't hurt anyone. It's certainly not "sacred" - straights don't see it that way, with all the divorce, domestic abuse, etc.
People, if I married a man or a woman, how would you even KNOW about it to be upset?? I don't know who YOU are marrying, either, and I don't care.
But there MIGHT be gay people out there....getting married.... the religious' gaydar will go out of control! I think my family would disown me if I got married in a church, why are my rights as a godless person being trampled on? Oh wait... I don't have rights... I don't believe in a magical sky man... darn
It appears that our votes don't count anymore in California. TWICE the voters rejected Gay marriage in California but the court will decide the issue.
I posted this in another thread but it fits here too. Established rights should not be put up to a public vote. This is exactly why we are a representative democracy, among other things - our forefathers rightly feared "mob rule". Civil rights should be left up to the courts and the courts alone.
The California Supreme Court determined unequivocally that, under the Californian constitution, gays had the right to marry. So "the voters" circumvent the Supreme Court by amending the constitution to disallow gays this right. That's messed up, and Californians should be absolutely ASHAMED that their constitution was manipulated in such a manner.
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Its a battle were you are in the wrong so I hope it is a losing battle.
WTF!!? The topic of the debate does not matter. I am not arguing whether it is right or wrong for gays/Les/trans etc. to get married... I am stating a fact that we have certain rights and freedoms as American citizens and the government must be held accountable to OUR wishes and demands... not their own agendas. It is a representative government! They are elected by us to represent OUR views!
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I hope the courts will put religion aside and be objective. Its a civil rights issue.
Again, I was not talking about the issue... I was referring to the governments outright denial of the people's wishes in that community. They overwhelmingly voted "NO" on this issue... who does the government think it is to go against the wishes of the people! THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS!!!! This should be fought by the people who want it and the people who do not!
The second amendment to the United States Constitution was put there for this very reason... to protect us from our own government should we have the need.
WTF!!? The topic of the debate does not matter. I am not arguing whether it is right or wrong for gays/Les/trans etc. to get married... I am stating a fact that we have certain rights and freedoms as American citizens and the government must be held accountable to OUR wishes and demands... not their own agendas. It is a representative government! They are elected by us to represent OUR views!
Again, I was not talking about the issue... I was referring to the governments outright denial of the people's wishes in that community. They overwhelmingly voted "NO" on this issue... who does the government think it is to go against the wishes of the people! THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS!!!! This should be fought by the people who want it and the people who do not!
The second amendment to the United States Constitution was put there for this very reason... to protect us from our own government should we have the need.
The people are wrong they have no right to deny consenting adults the legal right to marry.
Not to be redundant as you have heard the example but "What if Lincoln put slavery up for a vote".
The people when it comes to this should not have a say so. I can see if in the TINIEST most minor way it would affect you be it money,etc but it doesnt.
Stop looking in "their windows" its their life .
I dont understand the fear people have of this it isnt going to destroy hetero marriages sure Larry Kings wife might want it to lol but it wont.
Marriage is a legal contract between 2 people with rights,etc in the eyes of the gvmt state,federal thats all they want.
What was passed in CA was a constitutional amendment.
just because something was reamed into the constitution by voters doesnt make it constitutional. Especially if it causes a conflict with another part of it.
Clearly proposition 8 was well worth the 60 million dollars both sides of the campaign used to shove it through. Why spend money on poor people eh?
The people are wrong they have no right to deny consenting adults the legal right to marry.
Wrong or right on the issue of gay marriage... We DO have the right! LOOK IT UP! If a gay couple gets married it will not affect my life at all! I personally do not care. BUT DO NOT TELL ME THAT I DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT and that IT IS OK FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO OVER-RIDE THE WISHES OF ITS PEOPLE! That is flat out wrong... if you believe it is right, go live in a country that feels that way as well... This is the United States of America!
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Not to be redundant as you have heard the example but "What if Lincoln put slavery up for a vote".
Most of the people WERE against it! It was the southern Democrats fighting civil rights the entire way! It was Republicans fighting for the minorities!
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When it comes to this people should not have a say so.
This country was founded on people having the say-so! Where are you from?! When you give the government an inch they always take a mile... if you give them permission to jump in against the people this time... next time they will just do it. The few will dictate to the masses what THEY want... not what we want. What if it was an Ultra-Christian group that just did what ever they wanted and not what the people wanted. Forcing everybody to go to church, out lawed all alcohol and porn, made creation the ONLY topic in schools etc.
If you open the door for the government to over-ride the people on this... they will gain the power to over-ride US on everything! They will have the power and we will have handed it to them!
This country was founded on people having the say-so! Where are you from?!
I'm from the place where I've taken history classes before I guess.
Our government isn't a democracy, it's a republic and it always has been as it was modeled after Roman Gov't. Sometimes the people are wrong and that gives them no right to override the constitution. This is why we have checks and balances and not mob rule.
The people had their say so, their say so was unconstitutional so they get overridden.
Wrong or right on the issue of gay marriage... We DO have the right! LOOK IT UP! If a gay couple gets married it will not affect my life at all! I personally do not care. BUT DO NOT TELL ME THAT I DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT and that IT IS OK FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO OVER-RIDE THE WISHES OF ITS PEOPLE! That is flat out wrong... if you believe it is right, go live in a country that feels that way as well... This is the United States of America!
Most of the people WERE against it! It was the southern Democrats fighting civil rights the entire way! It was Republicans fighting for the minorities!
This country was founded on people having the say-so! Where are you from?! When you give the government an inch they always take a mile... if you give them permission to jump in against the people this time... next time they will just do it. The few will dictate to the masses what THEY want... not what we want. What if it was an Ultra-Christian group that just did what ever they wanted and not what the people wanted. Forcing everybody to go to church, out lawed all alcohol and porn, made creation the ONLY topic in schools etc.
If you open the door for the government to over-ride the people on this... they will gain the power to over-ride US on everything! They will have the power and we will have handed it to them!
The mistake was putting it up for a vote to begin with as thats how the whole thing started .
Politicians if not so cowardly would have fought to legalize gay marriage but now the courts are involved as should be .
The massess have a right to say no but the courts who interpret the law have a right to say Yes.
Now if you dont like that you can go to another country like S.Florida lol
On another note - The gay community has been foolish for decades thinking the masses would give them a basic civil right and that they could rely on these cowardly politicians who claim to support them.
Its good to see they are awake and no more requesting rights its time to get them. The courts will agree
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Hee Hee! You said butt in defence of GAY marriage! 
