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Old 11-20-2008, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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So you're against judicial review?
No, not particularly (judicial review definitely has its place!). I just wish these issues had stricter requirements BEFORE they hit the ballots. If something is too "unconstitutional" to pass, and when these rejections occur too often ~ as it has done here in Oregon ~ then it starts to discourage voters. I've noticed a distrust in voters because of it.

But I still vote. Where flakiness in the balloting goes, it may only get worse.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:59 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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I wish people would stop calling America a democracy,we are not.Democracy is the majority win,they get to decide the rules for everybody and do what ever they want,minority has no say so cause they lost.....

We are a Republic,with a Bill of Rights within the Constitution limiting those in the majority from doing whatever they want.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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I'm from the place where I've taken history classes before I guess.

Our government isn't a democracy, it's a republic and it always has been as it was modeled after Roman Gov't. Sometimes the people are wrong and that gives them no right to override the constitution. This is why we have checks and balances and not mob rule.

The people had their say so, their say so was unconstitutional so they get overridden.
So are you agreeing with me or dis-agreeing? That is exactly what I said.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:19 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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genius, the courts are in place to protect a minority from the tyranny of the majority.

whenver given the chance to back civil rights of a protected minority, the majority almost always votes against the minority.

case in point:
"In 1966, the California Supreme Court struck down an initiative that would have permitted racial discrimination in housing. Voters had approved the measure, a repeal of a fair housing law, by a 2-to-1 margin. Opponents challenged it on equal protection grounds, not as a constitutional revision."

enshrining discrimination in the constituion has been tried before. and it has failed.

go somewhere else. and pick up a legal history book.

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It appears that our votes don't count anymore in California. TWICE the voters rejected Gay marriage in California but the court will decide the issue.

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Old 11-20-2008, 01:21 PM
 
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The people had their say so, their say so was unconstitutional so they get overridden.
Everything except this...
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:24 PM
 
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What's wrong with Civil Unions, Hell it's goal of my wife and me.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: California
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They overwhelmingly voted "NO" on this issue...
This word "overwhelmingly..." I don't think it means what you think it means.

52% is not a mandate. That's a split right down the middle.
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:38 PM
 
Location: California
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I wish people would stop calling America a democracy,we are not.Democracy is the majority win,they get to decide the rules for everybody and do what ever they want,minority has no say so cause they lost.....

We are a Republic,with a Bill of Rights within the Constitution limiting those in the majority from doing whatever they want.
What's kind of funny about this issue is that it's the Democrats (who in this day and age are associated with social liberalism) that are attempting to use the established channels of our Republic, while the Republicans (who are lately in bed with the religious Right) are the ones trumpeting the mob rule of pure Democracy.

Figure that one out.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:20 PM
 
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The people are wrong they have no right to deny consenting adults the legal right to marry.


Marriage is a legal contract between 2 people with rights,etc in the eyes of the gvmt state,federal thats all they want.
If the people have no right to deny consenting adults the legal right to marry, how can marriage be limited to 2 people. Why not 3, or 4, or 12?
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:38 PM
 
Location: California
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If the people have no right to deny consenting adults the legal right to marry, how can marriage be limited to 2 people. Why not 3, or 4, or 12?
Because a civil marriage is a contract conferring recognition and benefits upon a partnership of two people.

Acknowledging same-sex marriages does not impact the civil aspects of marriage in any way. Conferring these benefits upon polygamist unions, however, is problematic. And in a logical and economical sense, rather than a religious one.
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