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No...because we are free to speak up against what is wrong AND having God in the pledge is wrong.
It's wrong only in your opinion and it's right only in my opinion. So, where does it go from there.
Better yet, we have tons of homeless on our streets, unsecured borders, a ever-present terrorist threat looming over us, children starving to death right here in the USA, just to name a few, yet we feel the insane complusion to argue over one single word. Think about it.
That's really immature. You don't just pack up and leave over something that can be fixed. If it's important enough, you try to enact change. You don't just say "**** it, I'm going to another country." And I think it's extremely rude to suggest that someone do that because they don't agree with you.
You misunderstood me or perhaps I worded it wrong. All I was saying is if someone is so horribly unhappy with living somewhere and is so distraught over something so minor, in comparison to the other issues we have to face, then perhaps America isn't the country that best suits their needs.
Also, please don't call me "rude" just because you don't agree with my opinion. I'm not doing that to you.
You misunderstood me or perhaps I worded it wrong. All I was saying is if someone is so horribly unhappy with living somewhere and is so distraught over something so minor, in comparison to the other issues we have to face, then perhaps America isn't the country that best suits their needs.
You don't seem to mean it the way most people do when they say it, then. And I'm not disagreeing that it's minor.
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Also, please don't call me "rude" just because you don't agree with my opinion. I'm not doing that to you.
It just came off (to me) like you were saying that someone should leave if they don't like it, i.e., if they don't agree with you, they can leave the country. I guess that's not fair--just because some people really feel that way doesn't mean you do. But I'm surprised that you don't see how a post such as yours might be followed by a reaction like mine.
You don't seem to mean it the way most people do when they say it, then. And I'm not disagreeing that it's minor.
It just came off (to me) like you were saying that someone should leave if they don't like it, i.e., if they don't agree with you, they can leave the country. I guess that's not fair--just because some people really feel that way doesn't mean you do. But I'm surprised that you don't see how a post such as yours might be followed by a reaction like mine.
I did see it after reading my post after your response and I apologize for not wording it better. I can completely understand your initial response.
It's wrong only in your opinion and it's right only in my opinion. So, where does it go from there.
Better yet, we have tons of homeless on our streets, unsecured borders, a ever-present terrorist threat looming over us, children starving to death right here in the USA, just to name a few, yet we feel the insane complusion to argue over one single word. Think about it.
Dont tell me what to do. I already do think. I know there are children and homeless. This is why I vote Democrat so we can help the middle class and the poor instead of the rich...unlike Christians who are blinded by their religion and keep on voting Republican because they are "pro life".
And yes, God should be removed. I am not arguing over just a word but for our society as a whole. God should not be pushed on to anyone.
Dont tell me what to do. I already do think. I know there are children and homeless. This is why I vote Democrat so we can help the middle class and the poor instead of the rich...unlike Christians who are blinded by their religion and keep on voting Republican because they are "pro life".
And yes, God should be removed. I am not arguing over just a word but for our society as a whole. God should not be pushed on to anyone.
If you expect someone to consider your point of view seriously, it is wise to not begin your post with a sentence like that. Once I read that, I completely lost any interest in reading what you had to say.
I guess I don't understand the concept of "taking the Lords name in vain" Give me an example of how I can add to this statement . .
it's an optional statement of patriotism and loyalty to the USA.
. . . with a "taking the Lord's name in vani" added to it. for emphasis.
Jesus Christ, you're exasperating.
You're right, I am. Sorry about that.
I'm not really even that religious..... I guess my issue here was simply how every little thing was being turned into an issue of political correctness.
Personally, I prefer a salute to the pledge anyways.
I'm not really even that religious..... I guess my issue here was simply how every little thing was being turned into an issue of political correctness.
Personally, I prefer a salute to the pledge anyways.
This is almost an instance in which the phrase political correctness fits.
God was inserted into the Pledge as a result of political correctness. It is kept there for the same reason - not because it belongs but because it would be a political disaster for a U.S. Representative to go against it. We've seen how candidates label any opponent they can find an excuse to saddle with this as "Godless" or "Anti-God" or things like that.
The notion that we, as a country, should abide by our own constitution seems lost on folks at times.
The notion that it is somehow politically correct to respect others' religious beliefs (or lack thereof) in our official pledge, rather than just plain respectful of the differences between and among us, boggles my mind.
The notion that folks think it is "just one word" that bothers me and many, if not all, of those opposed to it, rather than a deeper principle that is being contested in schools and government across this country, appalls me.
When school boards vote to teach creationism in school and/or eliminate evolution from the curriculum, that is the same fight.
When elections are scheduled on Saturdays, that is the same fight.
When people get up in arms because a newly elected U.S. Representative is going to use the Quran at his swearing in, that is the same fight.
When around the country, people believe that because a man has a middle name of Hussein, therefore he must be a Muslim and therefore should not be President, that is the same fight.
It is not being correct for the sake of seeming correct or to satisfy some greedy and capricious standard. The goal is not to placate people. It is to treat them with respect and consideration - the same consideration one would want if oneself were the minority.
Can it be taken too far?Absolutely. But most of the time, we are so far from that level that it makes for a poor excuse.
You say you believe in God, yet you want to make it a dirtyword.
You and the others who get so bothered by that little 3-letter word forget that you do HAVE A CHOICE. So a coin says In God We Trust. . . So what? Why should you care? You don't want to trust God, then don't. That's your choice.
Same thing with those who get upset over the 10 Commandments posted in public buildings. If one doesn't like it, why care? No one HAS to abide by them (although, break a few of those laws, your ass may go to jail, anyway!).
The Bible could be a procedure to re-examine, I suppose. But, then, again, for an atheist who thinks it's such an irrelevent "book", then why should it spook you so much?
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