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Old 12-28-2008, 11:05 PM
 
Location: southern california
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The non-Hezbollah Lebanese got rid of Syria. And although Hezbollah itself didn't endorse their departure, many Shi'ite Muslims who support Hezbollah participated in the anti-Syria protests. Shi'ites don't like Syria. The Syrians are hated by most Lebanese, of all affiliations and all religions. But the Lebanese can't live without Syria. The minute Syria closes its boarder with us, the Lebanese lose their food and supply shipments and the economy crashes. It is for this reason that Syria is not considered any official enemy whereas Israel is. So, when you hear Christian and Sunni Muslims right-wingists calling for making Syria an enemy you stop to think. The main ones who call for classifying Syria as an enemy and opening up and befriending Israel are the far-right Lebanese from the Guardians of the Cedars and the South Lebanon Army parties, most of whom have emigrated from Lebanon. That said, 4/5 of the Lebanese are willing to improve relations with Israel, including Hezbollah, as long as Lebanon gets what it wants and its a fair agreement.
Now its only in the power of Hezbollah to get rid of Israel. Israel takes Hezbollah seriously, and is willing to negotiate with them because Israel nows fighting Hezbollah would be devastating to Israel. Over the summer, they exchanged prisoners and bodies. You know why? Because Israel knew that it couldn't get its prisoners back by war. So they

I've long oppposed Hezbollah holding weapons, and wished that it would turn them over to the army or at least absorb itself into the army. Hezbollah refuses, because they claim history shows the army wouldn't attack Israel if they situation called for it, such as if Israel invaded Lebanon. And although the Lebanese Army has fought anyone who has been a threat to Lebanon, such as terrorists, the Palestinian militias, the Syrian army, and many decades ago when Lebanon was prospering and "the Paris of the Middle East" it fought Israel when it needed to, although remaining neutral for the most part. This is an ideal army that should return, and politically, I wish Hezbollah would have their military wing join the Lebanese Armed Forces. But we're not talking politics here.
have known many lebonese and heard the beautiful things about its past. have seen the beautiful films about it.
that it should come to this.
the sky is cryin

 
Old 12-28-2008, 11:23 PM
 
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It seems that people learned nothing from Hitlers ranting about eliminating the Jews before WWII as they do not see that hamas and others are doing the same. You can not rat ionize with the ill rational has dealing with Hitler showed. Listen to what hams says;not what you want to believe.
 
Old 12-28-2008, 11:28 PM
 
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It seems that people learned nothing from Hitlers ranting about eliminating the Jews before WWII as they do not see that hamas and others are doing the same. You can not rat ionize with the ill rational has dealing with Hitler showed. Listen to what hams says;not what you want to believe.
Right.

Do we think they're kidding when they say they want to annihilate Israel? Or that Hezbollah is kidding? Or President Wacko from Iran?

These blood-thirsty savages are dead serious. They're also dead wrong.
 
Old 12-28-2008, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Israel occupies neither Gaza nor the Sinai -- both of which territories she occupied as buffers following the 1967 and 1973 wars of aggression against her.

Would any of the Palestinian sympathizers care to explain why this is so?
Because they weren't wars of aggression against Israel, and everyone knew it, including the Israelis.
 
Old 12-28-2008, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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It seems that people learned nothing from Hitlers ranting about eliminating the Jews before WWII as they do not see that hamas and others are doing the same. You can not rat ionize with the ill rational has dealing with Hitler showed. Listen to what hams says;not what you want to believe.
You would be right, if they were actually talking about exterminating all the Jews. In fact, they are not doing that.
 
Old 12-28-2008, 11:53 PM
 
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Because they weren't wars of aggression against Israel, and everyone knew it, including the Israelis.
No? So what were they then?

In 1967, Syria, Egypt and Jordan amassed troops along the Israeli borders and Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping. Nasser demanded that the UNEF leave Sinai, threatening escalation to a full war. Egyptian radio broadcasts talked of a coming genocide.

The Yom Kippur War began on October 6 1973 (the Jewish Day of Atonement), the holiest day in the Jewish calendar and a day when adult Jews are required to fast. The Syrian and Egyptian armies launched a surprise attack against the unprepared Israeli Defence Forces.

Source: History of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 12-28-2008, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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So you admit that Israel was created by the UN in 1947 and admitted to the UN general assembly in 1949.
No I don't, as that is a contradiction in terms.

Israel did not exist in 1947. It grabbed land and declared independence in 1948. The UN acquiesced in its theft in 1949.

That is the true timeline, it does not involve the UN "creating Israel" at any point, and your attempt to place words in my mouth only underscores that you're a proven liar who can't even keep his lies and misrepresentations straight.

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Old 12-29-2008, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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No? So what were they then?
The Arabs were not going to launch a war in 1967. Yitzhak Rabin said so himself. Nasser didn't have the manpower. Brezhnev also called him and told him to call it off.

Every single battle in 1967 was on Arab soil. Not counting the Israeli attack on the Liberty, that is.

1973 was retaliation for the Israeli aggression of 1967 (and 1948-49, and 1956).
 
Old 12-29-2008, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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You don't get to pick the point in history to which you want to return. Sorry.
The Israeli terrorists of '48 got to. Why is that?
 
Old 12-29-2008, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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djacques, you sound like my Egyption tour guide. According to Egypt, they defeated Israel. Islamic nations are famous for exagerating or fabricating information to make themselves look good. Sort of like how Palestinians stage funeral outrages. There's a popular video online in which the funeral stopped when the casket falls. In the video, the body in the casket gets up, gets back into the casket, and lays still while the people pick up the casket again to begin chanting for the cameras again.
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