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Old 02-11-2009, 03:57 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Errr, Having a VETO PROOF majority is'nt usually an issue when the Congressional majority & the White house are held by the same party...

The GOP did not have a Fillibuster proof majority when the Iraq war vote was taken, if that is what you were inferring. In Fact, the Dems had 50 seats if you count Bernie what's his name from VT.
The point is you are blaming Clinton and that is factually incorrect.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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While the national debt increased to $10t, it was $5t in 2000. Nothing to be proud of, but you are exagerating.
Better yet... (with exiting Presidents, and increase in debt)
1980- $0.9T (Carter, 42%)
1988- $2.7T (Reagan, 189% in eight years)
1992- $4.2T (HW Bush, 56% in four years)
2000- $5.6T (Clinton, 36% in eight years)
2008- $10.7T (W Bush, 89% in eight years)

Reagan and W Bush combine for more than 7 trillion in deficit. National debt under Clinton's 8 years grew as much as it did in 4 years under HW Bush.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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The point is you are blaming Clinton and that is factually incorrect.
Which part - That Bill repealed Glass Steagal or that HRC voted for the war?

God, can't this family do ANYTHING right???
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Which part - That Bill repealed Glass Steagal or that HRC voted for the war?

God, can't this family do ANYTHING right???
They sure gave us eight great years of prosperity and fiscal responsibility. Thats more than you can say for even Reagan.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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They sure gave us eight great years of prosperity and fiscal responsibility. Thats more than you can say for even Reagan.
Actually, divide government is what gave us the fiscal responsibility. As for the prosperity you can thank the end of the cold war (which also helped with the fiscal good times as well) and the continuing boom from the 1980's fiscal and fed policies.

In 100 years WJC will be remembered as a caretaker president who got impeached. Nothing more.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Who signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal Act? (Hint: His initails are WJC....)

While the national debt increased to $10t, it was $5t in 2000. Nothing to be proud of, but you are exagerating.

Senate dems voted 29-21 FOR the war, including the current VP & SecState. If you think it was the wrong decision, do you support promoting leaders who make mistakes?

You're right about KBR & Haliburton. But since Ben & Jerry's does'nt provide logistical & security services in overseas combat zones and these companies do, the decision just kind of made itself.

Barney Frank, Chris Dolt & the Congressional Black caucus all shut down attempts to regulate Fannie & Freddie in Congress. What party are they from again?

There is PLENTY of blame to go around to all sides for the mess we are in today. Stop falling for the left-right finger pointing, its just a bread & circuses distraction from the political classes failures and corruption.

Yep, plenty of blame to go around (esp for Clinton) but it amazes me how many dogamatic Republicans refuse to acknowledge their party's responsibility for their share. And they wonder why the voters threw them out...

True, in 2000, we were operating with a surplus and not adding to the long term deficit.

Sure, democrats voted for the war in Iraq but who led us into it? Hint: Bush, Cheney, and the GOP. It was a GOP idea to try to link Iraq to 9/11 (a link which remains to be proven).

Ben and Jerry's - nice try but it seems you are unaware that dozens of other companies also provide the kinds of services KBR does. Its just too bad that they've been choked by by too many no-bid contracts. Did not realize OC investors were against competition.

Don't fall for the Sean Hannity version of events, take the time to actually see what is happening then have the courage to face it.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Actually, divide government is what gave us the fiscal responsibility. As for the prosperity you can thank the end of the cold war (which also helped with the fiscal good times as well) and the continuing boom from the 1980's fiscal and fed policies.

In 100 years WJC will be remembered as a caretaker president who got impeached. Nothing more.
He will be remembered as a very popular president that managed to turn around the deficit left by the most fiscally irresponsible president and leave a surplus only to have it plundered by his succesor. Turn a recesion into eight years of economic boom that was impeached. Impeached for lying about a private matter. Until the republicans actually deliver on the so called advantages of their ecomomic policies they don't have foot to stand on.
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Old 02-11-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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He will be remembered as a very popular president that managed to turn around the deficit left by the most fiscally irresponsible president and leave a surplus only to have it plundered by his succesor. Turn a recesion into eight years of economic boom that was impeached. Impeached for lying about a private matter. Until the republicans actually deliver on the so called advantages of their ecomomic policies they don't have foot to stand on.
He didn't "turn around the deficit." It was the Republican-written Balanced Budget Amemdment which did that. An amendment which Clinton refused to sign at first.

And in a court of law, it doesn't matter what you commit perjury about. Perjury is perjury, even if it's about a "private" matter.

Also, when Clinton took office, there was no recession.
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Yep, plenty of blame to go around (esp for Clinton) but it amazes me how many dogamatic Republicans refuse to acknowledge their party's responsibility for their share. And they wonder why the voters threw them out...

True, in 2000, we were operating with a surplus and not adding to the long term deficit.

Sure, democrats voted for the war in Iraq but who led us into it? Hint: Bush, Cheney, and the GOP. It was a GOP idea to try to link Iraq to 9/11 (a link which remains to be proven).

Ben and Jerry's - nice try but it seems you are unaware that dozens of other companies also provide the kinds of services KBR does. Its just too bad that they've been choked by by too many no-bid contracts. Did not realize OC investors were against competition.

Don't fall for the Sean Hannity version of events, take the time to actually see what is happening then have the courage to face it.
No disagreement that the GOP 'owns' the war. My disgust is with the Dems who voted for it then ran in the other direction when things got tough ( but even then did'nt have the guts to back up that shift in direction by defunding the war). Those types went where the political winds blew them - even on an issue as vital as sending our troops to war. Now they are beng elevated in the Dem Party to new heights. So what are we rewarding here?

I did'nt agree with the sentators who voted against the war, but a least they took a stand based on their belief on what was best for the country and voted their convictions.

As for KBR, Haliburton, et.al., I have'nt been shopping for international combat zone logistical support services myself lately, but the list of providers is probaby pretty short. If they could do the job & the pentagon was prepared to go with them I'm fine with it. I'm all for competition, but sometimes - like in a war - you have to go with what you know.

The GOP has been punished for talking the fiscal responsible talk while walking the spending walk. Hopefully a lesson has been learned.
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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He will be remembered as a very popular president that managed to turn around the deficit left by the most fiscally irresponsible president and leave a surplus only to have it plundered by his succesor. Turn a recesion into eight years of economic boom that was impeached. Impeached for lying about a private matter. Until the republicans actually deliver on the so called advantages of their ecomomic policies they don't have foot to stand on.
Reagan & Bush won the Cold War by running their deficits. GWB had to deal w/ 9/11 & the war on terror. The Fed deficit went up 2 trillion dollars on BJ's watch. What did he spend it on?
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