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You are so self interested.. you care NOTHING about children or education..
I remember well our volley on education.. and you were full of only self interest.. etc..
No, ValleyNative cares nothing about education. Unfortunately this is the general attitude of MANY in Arizona. Especially, in our state legislature. As I said earlier, we can't even get bonds passed that would only add a 5.00 tax. Our schools in Arizona are scraping by and they are expecting us to trim the budget even more. I have had to buy with my own money basic necessities that no teacher should ever have to buy. I have actually had to buy pencils, copy paper, erasers, crayons, notebooks. I can't buy this stuff anymore so I don't know what I am going to do when I run out. I am spending close to 200hundred dollars a month on asthma medication and may have to spend 300 dollars more for Xolair injections. The parents in my classroom aren't helping me.
The tax money is spent on education anyway. If that tax money enables a student to pursue a more rigorous education at the private school, the taxpayer wins - better education for same amount of money. The student wins - more rigorous education. The community wins - a better educated citizen who is more likely to earn a higher income, and therefore pay higher taxes.
But, no. You would rather make sure that anyone who isn't challenged by their public school and can't afford to pursue a more rigorous education at a private school sure as hell won't get one - not on your watch.
Tell us, what do you gain from making damn sure that undereducated students remain that way?
I do get it sir/ma'am.... but I'm not going to continue engaging you in the circle of babble.. we obviously disagree... thats ok..
I don't advocate anything that you are accusing me of...It is apparently clear from this an a couple other statements you've made that you have an axe to grind with the public system for whatever reason.. and you've more than made your political/social beliefs known on the issue...YOU DONT LIKE IT.. I get it...Unfortunately I don't believe this is about the kids for you..because your tone and tactics do not lead me to believe that.. Instead i think its more about your anger and disgust for something you fundamentally disagree with.. socialist programs.. Of course I'm just reading between the lines on that.. but You do not have the tone or expresson of someone that works with these kids on a regular basis.. I'm sorry.. I just have a hard time buying you..
I am just not sold on the privitization of education on the public dime...Its one of those things that looks good on paper.. but bring about a whole new set of issues once its in full swing... and then there's no turning back..
Its kind of like privatizing social security... it sounded really tempting at one time....
Our public schools have been top rated in the world in the past.. there is no reason why they can't be again and I for one have not lost hope yet...
I wish you luck on your endeavors in whatever role you play in education in america...
when I first started teaching.. I made 24K per year.. If I had two kids.. there is no way in hell I would be able to afford to send them to private schools..
There lies the problem. Why would somebody making only $24,000 per year be so ignorant to have children?! You know as well as I do that an annual income of $24K isn't going to be enough for food or diapers ... let alone their education & health care. I can't emphasize enough that procreation is not something people should be doing if they can't afford it. If they go ahead and have children on such a low income, they are not being responsible, and should not be entitled to any special gov't benefits, tax credits, etc.
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Also, interesting to note that some tax payer paid for your education when you were a little pimple faced hooligan.. and now you object to the idea of you having to pay taxes for the next generations education?]
Who said I went to a public school? If you had read my numerous other postings on this very subject, you will find out what kind of schools I attended when I was a hyperactive hellish hooligan with a face full of zits.
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The value of education might be high in your mind.. but its certainly clear that when it comes to funding it.. you'd rather pass the buck when the donation pot comes your way...
That's right. I've seen the evidence how superior privatized education is to public schools. I highly value education. If anybody thinks I don't, then perhaps you can explain how I managed to attend classes while working full time and earn two college degrees ... which BTW, weren't from a public university. I have paid more than my share into the system. These parents who think society owes them for having kids are the ones who are passing the buck!
I am more than willing to pay for the goods & services which I use. That's why I favor a type of system that treats taxes much like user fees. You want it, you pay for it. I don't have kids, I don't use public schools, so why in the world should I be forced to pay for them? It would be a little different if schools actually created the same output as what they take in ... but you know very well that's not the case. Most school districts gobble up an overwhelming amount of tax money, and churn out half baked literates at best ... then still claim to not have enough funds. Most state budgets are swamped with an average of 50% of the revenue being allocated to education. No wonder some states are going broke! It's further proof that throwing money at the problem creates nothing more than a bigger problem: more bureaucratic waste, and very little in the area of quality!
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You are so self interested
I am??? This comes from somebody who defaulted on mortgage payments and cried on CityData about her dilemma? This comes from someone who expects taxpayers to fund the entitlements for a personal decision?!
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.. you care NOTHING about children
If they're not mine, I don't. Congratulations for getting one right!
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or education..
You apparently don't with the frequent spelling/punctuation/grammatical errors in a lot of your postings. But then, you're a product of the public school system, which explains quite a bit.
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No, ValleyNative cares nothing about education. Unfortunately this is the general attitude of MANY in Arizona. Especially, in our state legislature. As I said earlier, we can't even get bonds passed that would only add a 5.00 tax. Our schools in Arizona are scraping by and they are expecting us to trim the budget even more. I have had to buy with my own money basic necessities that no teacher should ever have to buy. I have actually had to buy pencils, copy paper, erasers, crayons, notebooks. I can't buy this stuff anymore so I don't know what I am going to do when I run out. I am spending close to 200hundred dollars a month on asthma medication and may have to spend 300 dollars more for Xolair injections. The parents in my classroom aren't helping me.
Boy, you are full of emotion and rage, aren't you? Sounds like teaching is really getting to you. If it's that bad, why don't you find another profession? Better yet, if you're so unhappy with the attitude of "many people in Arizona" toward education, why don't you move somewhere that is more suitable to your liking, instead of ranting & pouting like a little kid? Honestly, if it's that horrible, get the heck out of Dodge!
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Do you have children? Home schooled kids often have social problems, they do not know how to interact with other kids and resolve conflicts. Public school helps to teach kids these skills for life. It is not just about the three R's.
In addition, FYI being a parant and teacher can cause conflict. This is a fine line and not many people can walk it successfully. Also kids get sick of being with Mom or Dad and they need the interaction with other adults and children.
You want the Truth, SEEKTRUTH - you have it.
Is this your opinion or are you stating facts? If this is a factual statement, could you provide the research data regarding home schooled kids often having societal problems? If this is your opinion, how many home schooled kids do you know personally?
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I noticed you really like to argue. Do you actually talk to people or just sit around looking up random "facts" on the internet so you can argue with people? Your arguments are so generalized on Public Education they are IRRELEVANT!
How is his arguments irrelevant when he has been providing much of the data in this thread while other posters are discussing their opinions on the subject without providing facts to support them?
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Problem is... there is choice.. but if you want something more than the public system.. you should have to pay for it like everyone else...
bleeding the public system of funding.. because someone is sitting down and calculating the exact amount given towards your child, so that you can take to a private school is absurd..
Lets think about this for a minute..
Vouchers.. essentially are Publicly funding the privatization of education in america
that is an oxymoron...
The ends don't justify the means on this issue... I'm sorry
Ok ... Then let's just preserve the status quo of our public school system and keep our kids trapped in underperforming schools because their parents just don't have the funds to send their kids elsewhere.
A lot of Conservative "hate" public education because public education generally speaking is a joke. It is a system that brainwashes kids to become Liberal utopians, eventually the kids become effeminate, latte sipping, turtle neck wearing, politically correct pseudo intelectual Liberals, a bunch of sissies who repeat the same politically correct BS like little robots, diversity happens to be one of their favorite words.
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Then I'm sure you care very much about the issue...
It is important to note from InfromedConcent's lovely references.. that american students don't start off behind.. they fall behind...
4th grade performance is in the top tier internationally in both math and science..
and interestingly enough.. American students fall behind as they get older, and the social aspect of school becomes a bigger focus to them, and genuine discovering and learning attitudes fall by the wayside...
I certainly would not rule out problems at home either.. There's just so many factors that pay into it.
High school in american society is idolized and become a cultural experience mor than a learning experience..
I think it is middle school and high schools that are failing our kids... That is where I teach.. it saddens me.. and certainly is a wake up call for all of us...
That is why I am a strong advocate of parental involvement..
At the grade school level.. seems there is very active PTO's and parent's more than willing to get invovled.. but when their kids get older.. schools becomes a place they send them.. and you don't see as much parental interaction and involvement...
I do agree that parents should become more involved in their children's education but what about parents who both have to work and are unable to attend meetings, etc because it interferes with work schedules? What options do you have for those parents who cannot afford to take time off from work to "get involved"? Are their kids just outta luck because their parents cannot get involved?
There lies the problem. Why would somebody making only $24,000 per year be so ignorant to have children?! You know as well as I do that an annual income of $24K isn't going to be enough for food or diapers ... let alone their education & health care. I can't emphasize enough that procreation is not something people should be doing if they can't afford it. If they go ahead and have children on such a low income, they are not being responsible, and should not be entitled to any special gov't benefits, tax credits, etc.
Who said I went to a public school? If you had read my numerous other postings on this very subject, you will find out what kind of schools I attended when I was a hyperactive hellish hooligan with a face full of zits.
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That's right. I've seen the evidence how superior privatized education is to public schools. I highly value education. If anybody thinks I don't, then perhaps you can explain how I managed to attend classes while working full time and earn two college degrees ... which BTW, weren't from a public university. I have paid more than my share into the system. These parents who think society owes them for having kids are the ones who are passing the buck!
I am more than willing to pay for the goods & services which I use. That's why I favor a type of system that treats taxes much like user fees. You want it, you pay for it. I don't have kids, I don't use public schools, so why in the world should I be forced to pay for them? It would be a little different if schools actually created the same output as what they take in ... but you know very well that's not the case. Most school districts gobble up an overwhelming amount of tax money, and churn out half baked literates at best ... then still claim to not have enough funds. Most state budgets are swamped with an average of 50% of the revenue being allocated to education. No wonder some states are going broke! It's further proof that throwing money at the problem creates nothing more than a bigger problem: more bureaucratic waste, and very little in the area of quality!
I am??? This comes from somebody who defaulted on mortgage payments and cried on CityData about her dilemma? This comes from someone who expects taxpayers to fund the entitlements for a personal decision?!
If they're not mine, I don't. Congratulations for getting one right!
You apparently don't with the frequent spelling/punctuation/grammatical errors in a lot of your postings. But then, you're a product of the public school system, which explains quite a bit.
Boy, you are full of emotion and rage, aren't you? Sounds like teaching is really getting to you. If it's that bad, why don't you find another profession? Better yet, if you're so unhappy with the attitude of "many people in Arizona" toward education, why don't you move somewhere that is more suitable to your liking, instead of ranting & pouting like a little kid? Honestly, if it's that horrible, get the heck out of Dodge!
ValleyNative.. I did not DEFAULT on my mortgage!! GET YOUR FREAKIN FACTS STRAIGHT..
I short sold onmy mortggae.. I CRIED ON CITY DATAT ABOUT THE BS YOU DEAL WITH WHEN YOU DEAL WITH A MORTGAGE COMPANY.
AGain.. you CARE NOTHING ABOUT EDUCATION OR CHILDREN. YOU SEE NOTHING OF VALUE IN CHILDREN WHO ARE THE FUTURE.. AND IM' NOT THE ONLY ONE WHOS CALLED YOU OUT ON .
YOU POSTS ARE SELFISH DIATRIBE OF NONSENSE!! PERHAPS YOU WOULD BEST SERVE SOCIETY BY LIVING IN A MOUNTAIN SOMEWHERE IN A COMMMUNITY OF ONLY 1 YOU....
I HAVE MANY WONDERFUL THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY TO YOU.. BUT THEY ARE UNFORTUNATELY AGAINST CD RULES
As I said earlier, we can't even get bonds passed that would only add a 5.00 tax.
Please - let's tell the WHOLE story - to be fair.
It is not "$5.00" of tax. It is $5.00 per $1000.00 of assessed value. So, if your home has an assessed value of say, $100,000, the tax would be $500 extra on your home
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