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Old 02-19-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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Where are these laws found? Are they in the United States Constitution?
No - they're state laws. The thing is, IDEA is a federal law guaranteeing disabled students a FAPE, even if that means the public school has to pay private school tuition to meet a disabled student's educational need. Why shouldn't ALL students have that legal right? Why are only disabled students' educational needs federally mandated to be met, and not anyone else's?

 
Old 02-19-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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Not to worry. The potentially high achieving oppressed and trapped kids will also be covered in our plan. Let's not forget, when we redirect those public education dollars to private school, we're going to start first with the potentially high achieving oppressed and trapped kids in the crumbling, poor, failing urban and rural schools. Right?
No. Everyone gets school choice.

And don't even start with the crumbling, poor schools. We spend more than just about any other country on public education and get pretty much the least in return. Chicago Public Schools spends over $11,000 per student per year. Washington, DC spends over $13,000. Both are abysmal. If you think money is the answer, read the following.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/07/05/sch...05schools.html

The problem is the education many public schools provide. It's a joke - confirmed by the TIMSS study which found that America's school classes had lower level content, less complexity, demanded less from students, and was slower paced than that of their international peers.

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Old 02-19-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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No - they're state laws.
So, public education is not a constitutional requirement. Then, why is the Federal Government even involved? Because the Constitution provides that what is not in the Constitution is the domain of the States.

The Feds have no right to dictate these laws to the States.

Clearly
 
Old 02-19-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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No. Everyone gets school choice.
This is clearly not true.
 
Old 02-19-2009, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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No. Everyone gets school choice.
Not sure I understand, IC.

If, under our new plan, the potentially high-achieving but trapped and oppressed kids in failing schools are gonna get full funding for private school ...

who else is left?
 
Old 02-19-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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Public schools don't educate children - they merely hold children off the streets for 8 hours while teaching them "Tommy has 2 daddies", "feel good about yourself", "hate Christopher Columbus", "Global warming", "don't think for yourself", and other nonsense.

Seriously, a mom with just a 10th grade education could do a heck of a better job teaching her kids at home reading, writing and math - her kids would be light years ahead of most of today's public school kids.
 
Old 02-19-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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This is clearly not true.
No it's not, but it should be. I was responding to backfist.
 
Old 02-19-2009, 12:26 PM
 
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Not sure I understand, IC.

If, under our new plan, the potentially high-achieving but trapped and oppressed kids in failing schools are gonna get full funding for private school ...

who else is left?
Whoever chooses to remain in the public school. There are posters on this thread who have said they're happy with their public school. If that's their choice, fine. If some want to pursue a more academically rigorous education and so opt out of the public school, what's wrong with that?
 
Old 02-19-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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So, public education is not a constitutional requirement. Then, why is the Federal Government even involved? Because the Constitution provides that what is not in the Constitution is the domain of the States.

The Feds have no right to dictate these laws to the States.

Clearly
Well, that train already left the station with IDEA which grants legal rights to some that are not extended to others.
 
Old 02-19-2009, 12:34 PM
 
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I addressed a question to a teacher in response to his/her post, here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/7528079-post57.html

I'm still waiting for a response.
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