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Old 12-21-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Southern NC
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Originally Posted by jackmccullough View Post
No. The law recognizes, rightly in my opinion, that even though pets and farm animals are property, all animals have the capacity to suffer and that a civilized society acts to prevent the infliction of needless suffering on them. This is obviously not unlimited: there is no prohibition on killing animals for food, but needlessly cruel husbandry or slaughtering practices are prohibited.

I see nothing inconsistent in what I said. In fact, my two comments are consistent with each other and with the general approach in most Western societies that a human life is worth more than the life of an animal.

I know several people who this does not apply to.
I love my animals so much I would defend them to the death, just like my kids...of course, I'd have consequences to pay...but that doesn't change my feelings about it. My best advice to the general public is to leave MY animals alone.

 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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If pets are nothing more than property, what is wrong ethically with cockfighting, or fighting dogs? After all, they're nothing more than property, and it's up to the owner what they want to do with their own property, isn't it?
There was a time in this country when this same logic applied to people.

While animals don't have legal rights as people do, they are living creatures, not the same as property made of metal or wood.
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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Harmed, yes - threatened, no.
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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If someone threatened my pet cat, I would pretty much ignore it.

If someone was engaged in harming my cat, I would politely request that he cease immediately.

If that someone insisted on continuing to harm my cat, I would politely blow his ******* brains out.
 
Old 12-22-2009, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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There was a time in this country when this same logic applied to people.

While animals don't have legal rights as people do, they are living creatures, not the same as property made of metal or wood.
I don't consider any "living creatures" with sentience and intelligence to BE "property".
 
Old 12-22-2009, 05:33 AM
 
Location: southern california
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a threat to a human or a animal is not sufficient to kill, imminent danger is the basis for violent defense. otherwise it would be open season on 2 and 4 legged pit bulls.
 
Old 12-22-2009, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I don't consider any "living creatures" with sentience and intelligence to BE "property".
Neither do I, but the law does.
 
Old 12-22-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Neither do I, but the law does.
If faced with the issue in court, I would have brought up slavery. Living creatures cannot be "property".
 
Old 12-22-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Yootó
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I don't care about the law. If you threaten my dogs I will shoot you dead and make sure your corpse is never found. I will sleep soundly, because I value your incredibly worthless human life far less than my faithful pets.
 
Old 12-22-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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In your mind you may think they have more rights than metal or wood, but they are considered as property by law. Animal curelty laws may apply but they are not considered more than a possesion by law especially when it would be time to consider the value. Animal life is only worth what a replacement cat or dog would cost the one who lost it. If I shot a dog and it was considered not for a valid reason I would have to pay the owner the cost to replace that dog or cat. But I just get around that with my walther 22 and
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leagl scilencer
, and a small pop in the back of the head and one less of those little bastards.
As far as I know, silencers are illegal in every state.
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