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Old 03-23-2009, 10:03 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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To the loons that believe every word Gore and his cronies spout... [quote]
Actually, what is loony is your & the others on this forums insistence that those of us who actually listen to scientists regard Gore as our idol. THAT is hilarious!
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I buy green electricity here in Washington DC and it costs 1¢/kWh more than the undifferentiated stuff. The cost for compliance is very modest and it creates jobs in the United States, not rich oil sheiks in radical Muslim countries.
And the entire country is just like WDC, right?
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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It's called natural warming and cooling trends going back millions of years. We have been in a warming trend but it will revert back at some point in the future to cooling.

Obama's probably gonna spend millions more on the unproven topic of 'humans contributing to global warming'.

Tons of $$$$$$ thrown to the wind. For something we're not even majorly contributing to. Sad.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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And the entire country is just like WDC, right?
No wind power is even cheaper out west.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Please state your source for the inaccuracy of the NASA data. You saying it doesn't mean much to me.
IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming

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On Monday, NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.
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It soon came to light that the data produced by NASA to make the claim, and in particular temperature records covering large areas of Russia, was merely carried over from the previous month. NASA had used temperature records from the naturally hotter month of September and claimed they represented temperature figures in October.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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No wind power is even cheaper out west.
And the entire nation is supposed to reduce their electricity consumption by 97%? You do know that wind+solar+other renewables account for only 3% of the electricity generated, right?

You're so naive it's pathetic, rl.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Wait a minute. ONE MONTH of data was incorrect and has been corrected. The chart I posted has the corrected data in it and it's annual data anyway. You're going to have to do better than a data error which was promptly corrected.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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And the entire nation is supposed to reduce their electricity consumption by 97%? You do know that wind+solar+other renewables account for only 3% of the electricity generated, right?

You're so naive it's pathetic, rl.
Actually it's about 9+% according to your own source. It's important to not be so naive that you fail to recognize that hydroelectric generation is renewable.

The proposal is to increase that to about 20% over a couple of decades. 30% of the new generation capacity installed last year was wind.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Wait a minute. ONE MONTH of data was incorrect and has been corrected. The chart I posted has the corrected data in it and it's annual data anyway. You're going to have to do better than a data error which was promptly corrected.
Shifting goal posts (again), rl? You wanted proof. It was provided. You can't come back and claim that you want more proof.

Oh, wait. I forgot. The rules that apply to the rest of the world don't apply to you.

And, by the way, that's one HELL of a "data error". Wouldn't you think that someone would double-check the facts and figures before proclaiming to the world that a month was the hottest on record?!

Nevermind. I know you're firmly planted in the "we are responsible" camp and absolutely nothing at all will change that.

You do know that the warming trend ended a decade ago, though, right?
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Actually it's about 9+% according to your own source. It's important to not be so naive that you fail to recognize that hydroelectric generation is renewable.
Read my post and review the source again. There is a classification for "other renewables", and that is what I was referring to.

Reading comprehension. It's a good thing - check it out.

But let's assume you caught a mistake and just continue - you're still over a barrel, rl.

So you're saying that the entire country is supposed to reduce their electricity consumption by 90%, then?
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The proposal is to increase that to about 20% over a couple of decades. 30% of the new generation capacity installed last year was wind.
Yeah, I know. I'm a part of that process. This is a photo sent to me by one of my customers:



That's a windmill tower section. It takes several of those, plus the turbine, plus the blades to put together a single windmill. Every piece has to be delivered separately, and many are overweight loads. You have any idea how quickly a diesel engine burns through fuel when it's pulling 75 tons?

Anyway... I know you're a worshiper, and no amount of logic or common sense will sway you from your religion. I do enjoy our banters, though (occasionally)...

Have a great day!
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