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You have quite obviously underestimated the degree of difficulty involved in discovering accurate information about Margaret Sanger. It would appear that you yourself became bogged down in the morass of fictional right-wing and fundie vitriol and never managed to make it any further than that.
What is known about Margaret Sanger has nothing to do with "right wing" or "fundie" anything. She was who she was. It's that simple.
From the CDC: (2003 statistics) Just keeping it real.
Just to note that CDC statistics on abortion depend heavily on data from state and local government reporting systems that are frequently either missing or incomplete. As a rule of thumb, they are going to be able to cover about half of all abortions actually performed, and the missing half can conceivably lead to significant biases in published results. Data from the Alan Guttmacher Institute are based on reporting received directly from clinics, and while AGI coverage is not 100% either, their data are widely thought to be more complete and more honest than what CDC is able to access. In the instant case, CDC and AGI data tend to reinforce each other, leading one to suspect that the real numbers are indeed in the ballparks they have reported.
Hard to believe all the responses to an OP who stupildy thinks the Democrats invented abortion......C'MON, people, ya had to know it's just a raging trolling racist
Just to note that CDC statistics on abortion depend heavily on data from state and local government reporting systems that are frequently either missing or incomplete. As a rule of thumb, they are going to be able to cover about half of all abortions actually performed, and the missing half can conceivably lead to significant biases in published results. Data from the Alan Guttmacher Institute are based on reporting received directly from clinics, and while AGI coverage is not 100% either, their data are widely thought to be more complete and more honest than what CDC is able to access. In the instant case, CDC and AGI data tend to reinforce each other, leading one to suspect that the real numbers are indeed in the ballparks they have reported.
Information from the Guttmacher Institute
Abortions by Race/Ethnicity:
The abortion rate among black women remains more than twice the national average, and three times that of white women. http://www.guttmacher.org/presentati...ort_slides.pdf
Information from the CDC
The abortion ratio for black women (503 per 1,000 live births) was 3.0 times the ratio for white women (167 per 1,000 live births).
Any examples you are looking for can probably be found in your own posting history.
Just to make it easier for you, I'll pose the same challenge I posed to the OP. Look back at the race based threads created in the past week or 2 and tell me how many you find that were created by a liberal or a minority. Considering the amount of race based threads created here, it would be considered an obsession.
Where are you finding such "quotes" from Margaret Sanger? This is a lie.
The first is from notes and personal papers related to her 1916 statements as published in her 1938 autobiography. The second is from an article published in 1916 in the periodical Family Limitation.
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Margaret Sanger was a racist of the worst kind.
No, she was not. As was noted earlier, she lived more than the first half of her life in one of the most virulently racist eras in our nation's history. You fail to place her within the context of her times. Keep in mind that as a public service provider, she and her tiny organizations were in constant need of financial support from wealthy benefactors, nearly all of whom were strongly racist in their own views and beliefs. Do not misconstrue her necessary wheedling and currying of cash from these into something other than what it was.
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Nothing I have ever read about Margaret Sanger in the last 25 years has ever turned up such quotes.
This is no shortconing of mine, but of yours.
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Is your source Planned Parenthood?
No, there is ample material either published or available as original sources through the Margaret Sanger Papers Project at New York University. Perhaps you would like to make a donation to those good folks?
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On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization
On the right of married couples to bear children:
"Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
These are just two Sanger quotes.
Those are not quotes. They are words lifted out of context, and not necessarily taken from any original source. Could you for instance supply the entire paragraph that contains the "human weeds" snippet? You could also review here the entirety of the Plan for Peace as published in the April 1932 edition of Birth Control Review. It does not contain the claimed text.
That's what I just said. The two sources in the instant case tend to reinforce each other, leading one to suspect that the real numbers are indeed in the ballparks they have reported. Try not being so much of a knee-jerk, but also note as I indicated that CDC data can suffer from significant holes in coverage within the source data that they rely upon.
Yes, and no. Yes, she was an advocate of birth control. But she was a larger advocate of abortion. She was never opposed to abortion, as you indicate. That is simply not her legacy. I think you are buying into a lot of misinformation, probably put out by Planned Parenthood.
No, it is you who is off in the weeds again. The characterization of Sanger's position on abortion by <DC at the Ridge> was quite accurate. Sanger understood abortion to be necessary in some cases, but objected to its violence and danger, and hoped that the widespread use of birth control would make the need for abortion much less, if not zero. Many people today have sadly still not received that last part of her message...
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Another asinine post... the founder of Planned Parenthood believed in racist eugenics but that is not why she advocated for birth control and abortion. Further, Black women do have a higher rate of abortion but that is because of disparate access to the health care system.
The facts are out there if you are willing to look. Abortion is a liberal concept. Research the NEGRO project.
The facts are out there, but one has to dig for them, which you have not done. If you come from a family of less than say 17 or 18 children, then your parents were no doubt practicing exactly what Sanger in the Negro Project preached -- that birth control is an essential in assuring a family's economic welfare and security, most particularly in an environment such as the rural south of the early 20th century where resources are scarce to begin with.
Sanger could be a powerful and persuasive speaker, as she needed to be in order obtain funding for her expanding networks of clinics and educational efforts, but she was not so glib as to have been able to fool all of W.E.B. Dubois, Eleanor Roosevelt, Adam Clayton Powell, Martin Luther King, and uncounted other highly educated backers, both black and white. None of these was mesmerized. All of them supported her work because they recognized the important benefits in it.
Your Tanya Green has no explanation for all this but to claim that Sanger must have been a master hoodwinker. I would suggest that Ms. Green's entire analysis of the situation is just another load of desperate right-wing garbage.
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